hans

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radical78

Original Poster:

398 posts

144 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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anyone use a hans device in a s3 is their enough room

Aeroscreens

457 posts

226 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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I don't at the moment but I'm seriously considering one and I know a few of the club's sprinters use them with caged S3s.

Grubbster

324 posts

170 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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I did when I was racing and I am getting my current car adapted to use it as well (for track days).

Andy Bell

333 posts

139 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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grubbster you going the arch route or doing it yourself?

DCL

1,216 posts

179 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Fitted mine a few months back. It's easier if you change to a 2" strap as that reduces the need to modify the seat holes (at least it did with my height and build - 5'8", 60KG). Of course, the mounts need moved too - I fabricated a plate from 10 mm steel but new bushes is probably a neater way to go.

It works really well and I don't notice it at all. As luck would have it, I went into the tyres first time out. Not a big hit, but enough to feel it work and realise it does makes a difference smile

Edited by DCL on Friday 21st November 07:25

pikeyboy

2,349 posts

214 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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I had thought about getting one but it looked a right drama taking the car to arch for them to mod the belt mounts etc and seeing as i just use it on track days I didn't bother. It'd be nice to see if you can do it yourself, it cant be beyond the wit of man as I mod'd a dedion cage to fit my live axle car

IBDAET

1,655 posts

263 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Whilst I understand the FIA guidlines on the mounting points, now ineffective would the Hans be rendered with the harness on the standard fixing points?

DCL

1,216 posts

179 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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The main issue is that the profile that the straps follow on the HANS device require them to turn towards the center. The obvious problem with using the standard mounts is that the straps risk falling off the HANS device as they are too far apart, but there may be more subtle reasons. I also found that the tillets tend to be mounted at a slight angle to clear the side. This makes the mounts off center. Basically it is an area that you want to get right as a failure of the HANS is a bit of an unknown.

Grubbster

324 posts

170 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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I'm hoping to not have to go back to Arch, there must be places closer to home that can weld new bushes in and the instructions of where to place them are quite straightforward.

SimonRogers

146 posts

158 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Use an extension plate. Bolt the plate to the existing belt holes and immediately behind have narrower fixing holes.

This has been accepted on a number of 7's used in sprint and hillclimbs - checked and Approved by MSA Technical.

4mm plate is sufficient.

DCL

1,216 posts

179 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Here's how mine turned out for my seating position





Edit just to say I've checked and mine is 4mm (the prototype was 10 mm). The aluminium is to improve appearance and provided a bigger surface area should the seat move backwards, although the plate is also a right angle section for this reason.

Edited by DCL on Friday 21st November 14:33

Grubbster

324 posts

170 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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That looks like a neat solution and less aggro than getting bosses welded in. Thanks for sharing, there is a fabrication place up the road from me that could do this - I'll get measuring up!

Steve

BertBert

19,039 posts

211 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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How far apart are the inner belt edges? The Hans docs say max of 3". Your's looks a bit more than that.

In my single seater I have belt mountings that are 9" apart which means 7" belt seperation measured on the inside edges. I can vouch for the fact that that is appalling with the Hans.

I've been advised to go the plate route as well with 6mm plate.

Bert

Honda Rush

122 posts

207 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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With our S3 race car we use a Schroth Hans device with 6 point harness and a bag seat and standard seat belt mounts and all is fine with 3" shoulder straps

DCL

1,216 posts

179 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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BertBert said:
How far apart are the inner belt edges? The Hans docs say max of 3". Your's looks a bit more than that.

In my single seater I have belt mountings that are 9" apart which means 7" belt seperation measured on the inside edges. I can vouch for the fact that that is appalling with the Hans.

I've been advised to go the plate route as well with 6mm plate.

Bert
Where does it say a max of 3"??

http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/...

For a 160mm Collar with 50mm straps at 200mm behind the driver = 110mm (4.5 inches). Your are aiming for an angle 20-25 degrees between the straps. As Honda Rush says, if you can get close to the mounts, the standard position might work.



Gregs79

86 posts

130 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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How about getting a few manufactured if someone finds a place to have them done? Might make it a bit cheaper and easier?!

CharlesElliott

2,008 posts

282 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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If you speak to Bruce, Arch will braze in new bosses in the right position.

Grubbster

324 posts

170 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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CharlesElliott said:
If you speak to Bruce, Arch will braze in new bosses in the right position.
He did my other 7 Charles, very good and neatly done. But i'm trying to avoid the need to take a day trip to Huntingdon again.

Red Seven

156 posts

197 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Gregs79 said:
How about getting a few manufactured if someone finds a place to have them done? Might make it a bit cheaper and easier?!
They'd all need to be different, because we're not all the same size and shape.
Generally, the further forward your seat is, the closer the strap mountings need to be.