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Quick couple of questions
1. Is a fully qualified electrician obliged to supply a Part P certificate for work he carries out (for a job requiring building regs) and has been paid for or is this something that they normally charge extra to supply?
2. If a fully qualified electrician does a full rewire (eg £5k cost) on a house is he legally obliged to log this with the local authority and also provide a certificate for the work carried out?
cheers
1. Is a fully qualified electrician obliged to supply a Part P certificate for work he carries out (for a job requiring building regs) and has been paid for or is this something that they normally charge extra to supply?
2. If a fully qualified electrician does a full rewire (eg £5k cost) on a house is he legally obliged to log this with the local authority and also provide a certificate for the work carried out?
cheers
I do not know the latest position as don't do domestic work anymore so I may be a little out of date.
It used to be the case that to carry out notifiable work in a domestic residence required the electrician to be Part P registered with an approved body such as NIC-EIC, NAPIT, ELECSA.
Any work we carried out would be reported to the NIC-EIC who would notify building control and send a certificate of Part P compliance straight to the customer, we did not issue the Part P certification. We paid a fee to them for each job notified.
What we as a contractor would do regardless was issue in addition to the Part P documentation an electrical installation completion certificate for the works carried out to the client.
Has the work been carried out by a contractor or by an electrician who has done the work 'on the side'. If done by an electrician 'on the side' he would struggle to certify and notify the work. There was talk of being able to employ a third party to inspect the work of others, but I do not know if that has come into effect.
It used to be the case that to carry out notifiable work in a domestic residence required the electrician to be Part P registered with an approved body such as NIC-EIC, NAPIT, ELECSA.
Any work we carried out would be reported to the NIC-EIC who would notify building control and send a certificate of Part P compliance straight to the customer, we did not issue the Part P certification. We paid a fee to them for each job notified.
What we as a contractor would do regardless was issue in addition to the Part P documentation an electrical installation completion certificate for the works carried out to the client.
Has the work been carried out by a contractor or by an electrician who has done the work 'on the side'. If done by an electrician 'on the side' he would struggle to certify and notify the work. There was talk of being able to employ a third party to inspect the work of others, but I do not know if that has come into effect.
PH5121 said:
I do not know the latest position as don't do domestic work anymore so I may be a little out of date.
It used to be the case that to carry out notifiable work in a domestic residence required the electrician to be Part P registered with an approved body such as NIC-EIC, NAPIT, ELECSA.
Any work we carried out would be reported to the NIC-EIC who would notify building control and send a certificate of Part P compliance straight to the customer, we did not issue the Part P certification. We paid a fee to them for each job notified.
What we as a contractor would do regardless was issue in addition to the Part P documentation an electrical installation completion certificate for the works carried out to the client.
Has the work been carried out by a contractor or by an electrician who has done the work 'on the side'. If done by an electrician 'on the side' he would struggle to certify and notify the work. There was talk of being able to employ a third party to inspect the work of others, but I do not know if that has come into effect.
He's a full time qual self employed electrician - he didn't supply a cert at the time although he thinks he did and rather than asking him for a copy (he's a ****) I'd rather follow up with building people and also see if he submitted his part to them tooIt used to be the case that to carry out notifiable work in a domestic residence required the electrician to be Part P registered with an approved body such as NIC-EIC, NAPIT, ELECSA.
Any work we carried out would be reported to the NIC-EIC who would notify building control and send a certificate of Part P compliance straight to the customer, we did not issue the Part P certification. We paid a fee to them for each job notified.
What we as a contractor would do regardless was issue in addition to the Part P documentation an electrical installation completion certificate for the works carried out to the client.
Has the work been carried out by a contractor or by an electrician who has done the work 'on the side'. If done by an electrician 'on the side' he would struggle to certify and notify the work. There was talk of being able to employ a third party to inspect the work of others, but I do not know if that has come into effect.
He is part P reg - also if he carries out a job is he legally required to certify the work he has done or is this something that a spark would charge extra for (does it cost them anything to provide a cert/part P)?
The various certifying bodies mentioned before, NIC-EIC, NAPIT, ELECSA may each have different rules regarding the contractors obligations. From the perspective of an NIC-EIC contractor, we had to report jobs to them for them to then notify the relevant council building control within 25 days of the work being completed.
In addition the NIC-EIC sent a certificate to the client on our behalf confirming Part P compliance, however I had a scenario where they made a mistake with the post code and the client did not get theirs through, and I had to chase the NIC-EIC for it.
There may therefore be a plausible reason why you have not had the part P certificate through as it may b e beyond the electricians control, but they should have a record of the issue date and certificate number (and a duplicate) of the installation certification.
Has there been any kind of issues regarding payment? Could they be holding the certification 'to ransom' in an attempt to get some money out of you?
If there are no issues have you raised the points with your electrician, is he a one man band who is lax at his paperwork and will 'get round to it' when he has a quiet patch?
I would advise talking to him, and if you get no joy go to which ever certifying body he is a member of. The NIC-EIC are very end user focused and would take a dim view of a complaint regarding no certification or notification by one of their contractors.
If no head way was made via this route there is also trading standards. The electrical industry with regard to working in domestic premises does not have grey areas which allow you as an installer to avoid certifying the works in the correct manner. I cannot advise if there is a particular law being contravined.
Hopefully the guy will sort you out if you give him a chase up threatening to take it further if he isn't forthcoming with the outstanding documentation.
EDIT
Sorry, to answer your original questions you should not have to pay extra to get building regs notification from a Part P registered contractor, and he is obliged to notify the relevant authorities of the work when done.
To supply a Part P compliance certificate will cost the contractor (it did us as we had to pay a fee of a few quid to the NIC-EIC for them to notify the council building control). If he is pricing to do domestic installations it should be a cost he has included in his quote.
In addition the NIC-EIC sent a certificate to the client on our behalf confirming Part P compliance, however I had a scenario where they made a mistake with the post code and the client did not get theirs through, and I had to chase the NIC-EIC for it.
There may therefore be a plausible reason why you have not had the part P certificate through as it may b e beyond the electricians control, but they should have a record of the issue date and certificate number (and a duplicate) of the installation certification.
Has there been any kind of issues regarding payment? Could they be holding the certification 'to ransom' in an attempt to get some money out of you?
If there are no issues have you raised the points with your electrician, is he a one man band who is lax at his paperwork and will 'get round to it' when he has a quiet patch?
I would advise talking to him, and if you get no joy go to which ever certifying body he is a member of. The NIC-EIC are very end user focused and would take a dim view of a complaint regarding no certification or notification by one of their contractors.
If no head way was made via this route there is also trading standards. The electrical industry with regard to working in domestic premises does not have grey areas which allow you as an installer to avoid certifying the works in the correct manner. I cannot advise if there is a particular law being contravined.
Hopefully the guy will sort you out if you give him a chase up threatening to take it further if he isn't forthcoming with the outstanding documentation.
EDIT
Sorry, to answer your original questions you should not have to pay extra to get building regs notification from a Part P registered contractor, and he is obliged to notify the relevant authorities of the work when done.
To supply a Part P compliance certificate will cost the contractor (it did us as we had to pay a fee of a few quid to the NIC-EIC for them to notify the council building control). If he is pricing to do domestic installations it should be a cost he has included in his quote.
Edited by PH5121 on Friday 21st November 16:39
Edited by PH5121 on Friday 21st November 16:42
Is he an NIC-EIC contractor? You can check on their web site to see if he is.
Sorry I cannot help with regard to how other bodies such as NAPIT and ELECSA operate. But if he isn't NIC-EIC I am sure if you rang these othes up and asked if he was registered with them they would be helpful.
Contractors not complying with the rules are not looked upon favourably by their certifying bodies.
Sorry I cannot help with regard to how other bodies such as NAPIT and ELECSA operate. But if he isn't NIC-EIC I am sure if you rang these othes up and asked if he was registered with them they would be helpful.
Contractors not complying with the rules are not looked upon favourably by their certifying bodies.
If he's claiming to be NICEIC registered, either as a Domestic Installer or an Approved Contractor then he should have completed a Certificate, supplied you with a copy AND registered it with NICEIC. A lot of Dodgy types don't like shelling out for Certificates and paying to register each one...
Put your address in here and see if anything comes up... http://www.checkmynotification.com/ I have no idea if NAPIT / ELECSA etc have a similar page on their sites.
Put your address in here and see if anything comes up... http://www.checkmynotification.com/ I have no idea if NAPIT / ELECSA etc have a similar page on their sites.
Bigbox said:
Quick couple of questions
1. Is a fully qualified electrician obliged to supply a Part P certificate for work he carries out (for a job requiring building regs) and has been paid for or is this something that they normally charge extra to supply?
2. If a fully qualified electrician does a full rewire (eg £5k cost) on a house is he legally obliged to log this with the local authority and also provide a certificate for the work carried out?
cheers
"An installer who is competent to carry out inspection and testing should give the appropriate1. Is a fully qualified electrician obliged to supply a Part P certificate for work he carries out (for a job requiring building regs) and has been paid for or is this something that they normally charge extra to supply?
2. If a fully qualified electrician does a full rewire (eg £5k cost) on a house is he legally obliged to log this with the local authority and also provide a certificate for the work carried out?
cheers
BS 7671 certificate to the building control body, who will then take the certificate and the installer’s qualifications into account in deciding what further action, if any, it needs to take. Building control bodies may ask installers for evidence of their qualifications."
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http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF...
MonkeyHanger said:
If he's claiming to be NICEIC registered, either as a Domestic Installer or an Approved Contractor then he should have completed a Certificate, supplied you with a copy AND registered it with NICEIC. A lot of Dodgy types don't like shelling out for Certificates and paying to register each one...
Put your address in here and see if anything comes up... http://www.checkmynotification.com/ I have no idea if NAPIT / ELECSA etc have a similar page on their sites.
A certificate should be issued regardless of if they are registered or not.Put your address in here and see if anything comes up... http://www.checkmynotification.com/ I have no idea if NAPIT / ELECSA etc have a similar page on their sites.
Its not, technically, a Part P thing.
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