Why the UKIP will never work....
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This is from a UKIP representative for Plymouth:
I get where they come from but isn't that saying that anyone middle class or upper class is "not normal" and therefore does not deserve a place?
So in effect they want the lower class to be happy but people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer?
I get where they come from but isn't that saying that anyone middle class or upper class is "not normal" and therefore does not deserve a place?
So in effect they want the lower class to be happy but people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer?
twoblacklines said:
This is from a UKIP representative for Plymouth:
I get where they come from but isn't that saying that anyone middle class or upper class is "not normal" and therefore does not deserve a place?
So in effect they want the lower class to be happy but people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer?
How do you translate ' we won't pass policies that affect normal people negatively'I get where they come from but isn't that saying that anyone middle class or upper class is "not normal" and therefore does not deserve a place?
So in effect they want the lower class to be happy but people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer?
into 'people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer' ?
Thats nuts, just like this thread title!
btw, just so you know, people who earn (a lot) and declare the income already 'suffer' with punitive tax rates.
Nic
twoblacklines said:
This is from a UKIP representative for Plymouth:
I get where they come from but isn't that saying that anyone middle class or upper class is "not normal" and therefore does not deserve a place?
So in effect they want the lower class to be happy but people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer?
I don't know what is more shocking, the delusion that UKIP will benefit working class people or the appalling grasp of English language.I get where they come from but isn't that saying that anyone middle class or upper class is "not normal" and therefore does not deserve a place?
So in effect they want the lower class to be happy but people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer?
What is hard to grasp about the UKIP narrative? Blame johnny foreigner because we the establishment are oppression you.
twoblacklines said:
So in effect they want the lower class to be happy but people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer?
You think retired firefighters, IT workers, cab drivers, plumbers, store supervisors etc are lower class ? In other words, you think you are better than them ?Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 22 November 08:57
This sums up why I am so cross with the Conservative party and so despise UKIP.
I am cross with the Tories because they are not getting across the party that represent every one in society, regardless of wealth, education or background and I despise UKIP because they are the party that rejoice in creating divisions in society. The only way they can pull off their vile confidence trick is to play to the worst fears of those who have most to lose in society. Instead of inspiring all in society with a vision for an inclusive approach, with opportunities for all, they encourage only tribalism, prejudice and an isolation from opportunity. The paradox is, of course, that this harms most the very people who find it appealing
I am cross with the Tories because they are not getting across the party that represent every one in society, regardless of wealth, education or background and I despise UKIP because they are the party that rejoice in creating divisions in society. The only way they can pull off their vile confidence trick is to play to the worst fears of those who have most to lose in society. Instead of inspiring all in society with a vision for an inclusive approach, with opportunities for all, they encourage only tribalism, prejudice and an isolation from opportunity. The paradox is, of course, that this harms most the very people who find it appealing
ClaphamGT3 said:
I am cross with the Tories because they are not getting across the party that represent every one in society, regardless of wealth, education or background and I despise UKIP because they are the party that rejoice in creating divisions in society. The only way they can pull off their vile confidence trick is to play to the worst fears of those who have most to lose in society. Instead of inspiring all in society with a vision for an inclusive approach, with opportunities for all, they encourage only tribalism, prejudice and an isolation from opportunity. The paradox is, of course, that this harms most the very people who find it appealing
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ks.dirkgently said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
I am cross with the Tories because they are not getting across the party that represent every one in society, regardless of wealth, education or background and I despise UKIP because they are the party that rejoice in creating divisions in society. The only way they can pull off their vile confidence trick is to play to the worst fears of those who have most to lose in society. Instead of inspiring all in society with a vision for an inclusive approach, with opportunities for all, they encourage only tribalism, prejudice and an isolation from opportunity. The paradox is, of course, that this harms most the very people who find it appealing
bks.ClaphamGT3 said:
Do you think that the OP is wrong to call out the fact that the UKIP Plymouth representative doesn't believe that politics should strive to create a society that represents all it's members?
If that is what the UKIP Plymouth quote actually said, then sure, why not. If this is (incorrectly, in my opinion) inferred from deliberately mis-reading something to make a point, then no.That quote seems to say that UKIP is made up of "normal, working class people" so they won't create policies that have an adverse effect on "normal, working class people". Nowhere does it state they will screw over business owners. Nowhere does it state they will screw over high society. It just says they won't screw over the working class. The word "normal" is used because being working class is, I would imagine, the norm (ie majority) in this country.
However, it's very popular to take something UKIP say and spin it to suit an agenda, as the "powerfully built company director" did in the OP.
NicD said:
How do you translate ' we won't pass policies that affect normal people negatively'
into 'people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer' ?
Thats nuts, just like this thread title!
Exactly.into 'people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer' ?
Thats nuts, just like this thread title!
The ukip bloke is clearly talking about the government's policies not people's own bosses at work.
wiggy001 said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
Do you think that the OP is wrong to call out the fact that the UKIP Plymouth representative doesn't believe that politics should strive to create a society that represents all it's members?
If that is what the UKIP Plymouth quote actually said, then sure, why not. If this is (incorrectly, in my opinion) inferred from deliberately mis-reading something to make a point, then no.That quote seems to say that UKIP is made up of "normal, working class people" so they won't create policies that have an adverse effect on "normal, working class people". Nowhere does it state they will screw over business owners. Nowhere does it state they will screw over high society. It just says they won't screw over the working class. The word "normal" is used because being working class is, I would imagine, the norm (ie majority) in this country.
However, it's very popular to take something UKIP say and spin it to suit an agenda, as the "powerfully built company director" did in the OP.
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