Cayman R Vs GT3

[Scooty100]

jackal said:

Yeah totally ... completely relevant to my own persomal criteria which a) i havent stated and b) no one would care about in any case

But hey, its the internet, nothing makes sense, who cares etc..

Indeed...So out the 997 GT3 for a GT4? Comon lets start another debate that no one cares about :-)

[Mermaid]

Anyone on here got both?

[keep it lit]

jackall said:

The only salient point here is that as time go on, Demon is cultivating more and more hatred than anything else.

[keep it lit]

Mermaid said:

Anyone on here got both?

yeah plenty read back through

[jackal]

Lol

[J-P]

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Slippydiff said:

AndrewD said:

Not as good as a Saturn V though. Lacks feel and not as resolved

Nonsense, the Gen 2 Saturn 5 6 GT2 experience is dominated by the massive thrust of the engine,
it could never be considered as having a sybiotic relationship with its chassis. The Gen 1 6 shuttle is a far sweeter drive. I frequently drive my Shuttle flat out, in fact many is the time I've left home at 100% throttle for the first 3 minutes despite the manual saying that I should throttle back to 65% to ensure the vehicle doesn't break up as I leave the earth's atmosphere.

Added to which production of the shuttle in all its iterations has only recently ceased, and whilst getting parts out of NASA for them can prove troublesome, it's nothing like trying to get parts for a vehicle that NASA stopped producing nearly 40 years ago. I'm sorry, but buying stuff off ebay or the PH classifieds for a 40 year old highly specialised vehicle like the Saturn 5 GT2 isn't an option for me.

I tried the Saturn 5 6 GT2 , it's good, but all that landing in the sea nonsense was a complete PITA. At least with the Shuttle I can land on the M5 late at night and be home within ten minutes.

I like the Gen 2 7 shuttle a lot, but find the PASM (Powered Ascent Shock Management) overly intrusive. If someone would design a passive system that enabled me to play with orbital exit speeds, I'd probably trade my Gen 1 in.

The Shuttle R is a very well resolved vehicle, but for me the mid engine design makes it far too stable, put bluntly I don't drive at 17,800 mph and expect the vehicle to be stable. The very nature of the Gen 1 6 Shuttle with it's rear engine design makes it a far edgier drive at the limit (and below it).

Sure all the Shuttle 6 versions have front ends that "understeer", but that's a very intrinsic part of their appeal. You can either speak to the various independent specialist NASA service agents and get them to alter the front vector geometry, OR you can learn to drive the vehicle in such a way as to nullify the understeer. Or as I've done in the past, you can have modifications carried out to the vehicle to make it more composed irrespective of atmospheric conditions (the fitment of Ohlins) Overt Handling Linear Improvement Nicely Sorted)

Leaving the earth's atmosphere in a Saturn 5 is a piece of piss, it's a sledgehammer. Leaving the earth's atmosphere in the Shuttle R with its stable platform is equally easy (despite it's wheezy characterless engines)

In a Shuttle 6, with it's lesser power (compared to the Saturn 5 GT2 type 6) and inherently unbalanced platform, you have to work at the process, and that for me (and many others I suspect) is the attraction of the Shuttle 6.

Here's the launch of my Shuttle 6 a few weeks ago : (probably best to get a glass or can of something and make yourself comfortable)

I spent a fortune on GoPros to get this footage, I hope you enjoy and appreciate it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFwqZ4qAUkE

[GT3cs]

Scooty100 said:

Indeed...So out the 997 GT3 for a GT4? Comon lets start another debate that no one cares about :-)

For me . Your only here once so try as many as you you can . I've only had the 991 GT3 for 6 hrs . It feels like its going to be a cracker ( as much as you can tell with a 3000rpm run in limit ) but I still think I'll be moving it on next year for a GT4 or if I'm really lucky a 991RS . Not because there'll be anything wrong with it , there's just so much else to try .

[London GT3]

Mermaid said:

Anyone on here got both?

I have a 2012 Cayman R PDK and a 996 GT3RS which I have owned since new. Both great cars. The following does not define which is the better or quicker car in all circumstances but the following Sprint results from Debden in September 2014 are interesting;



It was the same result in May.

Bill McKenna runs a highly modified 996GT3 and he is a multiple sprint championship winner. The Cayman R beat both Bill in his 996 GT3 and Brian Winstone in his GT3RS. My Cayman R is completely standard running on Kumho V70's. The two Cayman R times highlighted were both for my car - I shared it with a mate.

Now the circuit may suit the Cayman and the drivers may have had off days etc etc. But on that day in those circumstances, the Cayman R was quicker than two GT3's.

As I have said, I own a GT3RS as well and I think they are both absolutely fantastic but completely different types of cars.

[J-P]

Mr D. I didn't say that I thought that the CR was too fast. I merely pointed out that the top end of 3rd gear was way to over the legal speed limit. These are 2 different things!

The reason I don't have a GT3 are somewhat more complicated. But here goes:

1. I like owning cars from new and you can't get a new GT3
2. I suspect that the cost of running one is far higher than the CR
3. My mrs won't get why I bought a car with 2 seats that looks like the family friendly car we used to have that has 4 seats
4. I've driven a 997 GT3RS 4.0 - this is the car that I really want but I don't have the spare £350k to buy one
5. The cost to swap to a GT3 is very high and as I said the CR is a very good car, just no GT3
6. I do like the CR, it feels light and has a great spec. It's also quite a small car, which is good for the roads around here.

You seem to suggest that the CR needs to be modded to get the best from it. I don't diasagree, if I was to keep it, then I'd get quite a lot more stuff done to it but out of the box, a GT3 is the better car IMHO.

I'm on the list for a GT4. I'm hoping Porsche allow that car to realise the full potential of the chassis. The signs are good as the GTS cayman is a great car (no GT3) but very similar to the R in terms of drive with better engine noise and it can be spec'd to be like an R (other than lightweight doors obviously).

Also I have had the geo done on my car. It still wasn't that great, it's actually better now that it went into a tyre fitters, who just did a std geo on it (not OEM). The main issue for me is that the CR needs to be ragged senseless to feel fun., so it is great on track days (although still not as good as a GT3). Whereas a GT3 feels great even at 5mph.

Edited by J-P on Saturday 22 November 17:38

Edited by J-P on Saturday 22 November 17:53

[Scooty100]

GT3cs said:

For me . Your only here once so try as many as you you can . I've only had the 991 GT3 for 6 hrs . It feels like its going to be a cracker ( as much as you can tell with a 3000rpm run in limit ) but I still think I'll be moving it on next year for a GT4 or if I'm really lucky a 991RS . Not because there'll be anything wrong with it , there's just so much else to try .

Makes lots of sense to me m8 pics of new car?

So you have your name down for the GT4 as well? Im still loving the GT3 you sold me so may be a tough decision for me

[mrdemon]

" I merely pointed out that the top end of 3rd gear was way to over the legal speed limit"
"The main issue for me is that the CR needs to be ragged senseless to feel fun"


I don't get it, the GT3 is even faster in 3rd and needs to be ragged even more !

Edited by mrdemon on Saturday 22 November 18:07

[AndrewD]

jackal said:

AndrewD said:

I'm surprised at the well-known keyboard warriors on this thread. You must have worked out "better" just means self justifying claptrap by now.

It's true ... I know a bloke who cancelled his Speciale order in a pram/toy moment cos the dealer didnt lick his b^m enough. Now he goes round saying his 991 GT3 is better.

Lol, selective twaddle as always Jackie, too much glue sniffing I assume

[mrdemon]

Mermaid said:

Anyone on here got both?

me ;-)

[keep it lit]

mrdemon said:

I don't get it the GT3

we are all fully aware by now

[J-P]

mrdemon said:

" I merely pointed out that the top end of 3rd gear was way to over the legal speed limit"
"The main issue for me is that the CR needs to be ragged senseless to feel fun"


I don't get it, the GT3 is even faster in 3rd and needs to be ragged even more !

Edited by mrdemon on Saturday 22 November 18:07

All I'm saying is the GT3 has more feel at low speed than the CR, hell the GTS has more feel than the CR at low speed. You need to be going much faster in the CR to get the same level of feel. It's not specifically about going fast.

Edited by J-P on Saturday 22 November 23:16

[hondansx]

I think you could make an argument that the a Cayman R is better than a GT3. But you could make the same argument that a two grand MX5 is better than both.

The limitation with the GT3 is that it is so capable that it is too fast for the road. Even on balls-out blasts, you are scratching the surface of the what the car is capable of and - frankly - kidding yourself if you think you are really pushing. As a result, can't wait to get the GT3 on track where i know it will come into it's own!

Oh, and away from the driving the experience, the GT3 looks frigging awesome and the Cayman R looks like a bar of soap...

[Alpinestars]

hondansx said:

I think you could make an argument that the a Cayman R is better than a GT3. But you could make the same argument that a two grand MX5 is better than both.

The limitation with the GT3 is that it is so capable that it is too fast for the road. Even on balls-out blasts, you are scratching the surface of the what the car is capable of and - frankly - kidding yourself if you think you are really pushing. As a result, can't wait to get the GT3 on track where i know it will come into it's own!

Oh, and away from the driving the experience, the GT3 looks frigging awesome and the Cayman R looks like a bar of soap...

Except you don't need to drive the GT3 at ten tenths to feel how special it is. It engages right from the off.

[J-P]

Alpinestars said:

hondansx said:

I think you could make an argument that the a Cayman R is better than a GT3. But you could make the same argument that a two grand MX5 is better than both.

The limitation with the GT3 is that it is so capable that it is too fast for the road. Even on balls-out blasts, you are scratching the surface of the what the car is capable of and - frankly - kidding yourself if you think you are really pushing. As a result, can't wait to get the GT3 on track where i know it will come into it's own!

Oh, and away from the driving the experience, the GT3 looks frigging awesome and the Cayman R looks like a bar of soap...

Except you don't need to drive the GT3 at ten tenths to feel how special it is. It engages right from the off.

Yes that's my point.

[pete a]

mrdemon said:

me ;-)

No you've owned both, you sold the GT3 remember.

[ArcticGT3]

pete a said:

mrdemon said:

me ;-)

No you've owned both, you sold the GT3 remember.

Don't beat yourself up MrD, we've all moved something on at the bottom of the market at some point.

............ I had to give away a half drunk bottle of Oasis last week, nobody wanted it. Probably not quite the same though.