Feet on brake pedal when stopped.
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Pothole said:
Horse Pop said:
Dazzled? Really?
Are you dazzled when the car in front slows down?.
No. But then I'm just a little further away. Are you dazzled when the car in front slows down?.
It's not considered good form to pull up in traffic and then switch your main beams on, I can't see any difference to pulling up in traffic and then once the vehicle behind has pulled up and stopped, leaving your brake lights burning away in the face of the driver behind.
Prof Prolapse said:
I think if the lights on brakes are too much for you, it may be time to hand in your licence you whinging old buggers.
I bet you all remember a simpler time when brake lights were dull and this was all fields don't you?
And if we know it irritates some drivers, just don't do it, or hand in your licence. It seems an awful lot of us don't know the HC as well as we should either.I bet you all remember a simpler time when brake lights were dull and this was all fields don't you?
Muddle238 said:
It's not considered good form to pull up in traffic and then switch your main beams on, I can't see any difference to pulling up in traffic and then once the vehicle behind has pulled up and stopped, leaving your brake lights burning away in the face of the driver behind.
This. I can't see why there's any more to say than this. They're coming across as rude and inconsiderate but I'm sure all those on the "I don't care, I just leave my brake lights on" side of the debate don't switch to main beam as soon as they've pulled up and - more generally - don't leave their main beam on when they're driving around if there's somebody ahead or oncoming. So what's the difference? Why is courtesy worth the effort sometimes and not others? Doesn't make any sense.SK425 said:
Muddle238 said:
It's not considered good form to pull up in traffic and then switch your main beams on, I can't see any difference to pulling up in traffic and then once the vehicle behind has pulled up and stopped, leaving your brake lights burning away in the face of the driver behind.
This. I can't see why there's any more to say than this. They're coming across as rude and inconsiderate but I'm sure all those on the "I don't care, I just leave my brake lights on" side of the debate don't switch to main beam as soon as they've pulled up and - more generally - don't leave their main beam on when they're driving around if there's somebody ahead or oncoming. So what's the difference? Why is courtesy worth the effort sometimes and not others? Doesn't make any sense.Indeed I do, when drivers were courteous to other road users, sadly no longer (by some).
Berlin Mike said:
VW even expect you to stay on the brakes when stationary. A friend has this stop/start malarkey on her Golf. The engine turns itself back on if you put the handbrake on and take your foot off the brake. Daft and annoying for any poor driver behind.
Hmm, doesn't in mine (MK7 Golf GTD).I keep on the brake pedal at traffic lights and queueing traffic.
The only time I go into park and apply the electronic handbrake is when I know I'm not going to be moving for a few minutes and want to turn the engine off (level crossings etc)
It's just too much hassle to use the E-brake and the whole process of selecting drive and removing the E-brake will delay me at lights.
To put the car into stop I have to hold the brake, select P then pull the E-brake switch.
To drive away again I have to put my foot back on the brake, push the E-brake switch then hold the UNLOCK switch on the gear lever and select D.
I do agree that brake lights are way too bright but then so are most lights. Those new laser/LED Audi units are designed to destroy your eyes.
The only time I go into park and apply the electronic handbrake is when I know I'm not going to be moving for a few minutes and want to turn the engine off (level crossings etc)
It's just too much hassle to use the E-brake and the whole process of selecting drive and removing the E-brake will delay me at lights.
To put the car into stop I have to hold the brake, select P then pull the E-brake switch.
To drive away again I have to put my foot back on the brake, push the E-brake switch then hold the UNLOCK switch on the gear lever and select D.
I do agree that brake lights are way too bright but then so are most lights. Those new laser/LED Audi units are designed to destroy your eyes.
Poopipe said:
Can't be arsed reading the whole thread so apologies if this has been mentioned but...
My instructor suggested the handbrake was a good idea because it doesnt disengage if someone drives into the back of you - your foot on the other hand is likely to.
Why would your foot be on your other hand? My instructor suggested the handbrake was a good idea because it doesnt disengage if someone drives into the back of you - your foot on the other hand is likely to.
doogz said:
Those that say they're 'dazzled' by brake lights, can you explain that to me?
Yeah, sometimes lights are a bit bright, but what actually happens to you when you're 'dazzled'?
Is it only red lights that do it? Does passing another car heading in the opposite direction on an unlit road dazzle you?
I would not say as much dazzled when the brake is applied, but when you are sitting up the chuff of the vehicle in front in queues and they keep it on, it becomes irritating, at least I find it does. Some of the Chelsea teactors with high lights I find the worst.Yeah, sometimes lights are a bit bright, but what actually happens to you when you're 'dazzled'?
Is it only red lights that do it? Does passing another car heading in the opposite direction on an unlit road dazzle you?
Some of us find it irritating, some of us know that but ignore it. I still think it is due to the individual susceptibility of the rods in your eyes, makes sense to me.
As for oncoming traffic, those bloody new bright white head lights, always seem a tad high even on dipped.
Anyway there isn't an easy answer really, folk will continue sitting there foot on brake. MOST CARS HAVE HANDBRAKES DONT YOU KNOW.
Well, it's not a problem for young drivers; according to this thread in The Student Room many of them prefer to hold the car on the clutch as hill starts using the hand-brake are too difficult! 
Mercury00 said:
RobinBanks said:
I must be the only person on this site who doesn't complain of losing my vision every time someone brakes because I'm dazzled. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.
It doesn't bother me either. People seem to think brake lights get brighter when stopped, or else we'd surely be getting dazzled every time someone used their brakes.Vipers said:
I would not say as much dazzled when the brake is applied, but when you are sitting up the chuff of the vehicle in front in queues and they keep it on, it becomes irritating, at least I find it does. Some of the Chelsea teactors with high lights I find the worst.
Some of us find it irritating, some of us know that but ignore it. I still think it is due to the individual susceptibility of the rods in your eyes, makes sense to me.
As for oncoming traffic, those bloody new bright white head lights, always seem a tad high even on dipped.
Anyway there isn't an easy answer really, folk will continue sitting there foot on brake. MOST CARS HAVE HANDBRAKES DONT YOU KNOW.
Rather than being up the chuff of the car in front, why not hang back a little....Some of us find it irritating, some of us know that but ignore it. I still think it is due to the individual susceptibility of the rods in your eyes, makes sense to me.
As for oncoming traffic, those bloody new bright white head lights, always seem a tad high even on dipped.
Anyway there isn't an easy answer really, folk will continue sitting there foot on brake. MOST CARS HAVE HANDBRAKES DONT YOU KNOW.
vikingaero said:
Vipers said:
I would not say as much dazzled when the brake is applied, but when you are sitting up the chuff of the vehicle in front in queues and they keep it on, it becomes irritating, at least I find it does. Some of the Chelsea teactors with high lights I find the worst.
Some of us find it irritating, some of us know that but ignore it. I still think it is due to the individual susceptibility of the rods in your eyes, makes sense to me.
As for oncoming traffic, those bloody new bright white head lights, always seem a tad high even on dipped.
Anyway there isn't an easy answer really, folk will continue sitting there foot on brake. MOST CARS HAVE HANDBRAKES DONT YOU KNOW.
Rather than being up the chuff of the car in front, why not hang back a little....Some of us find it irritating, some of us know that but ignore it. I still think it is due to the individual susceptibility of the rods in your eyes, makes sense to me.
As for oncoming traffic, those bloody new bright white head lights, always seem a tad high even on dipped.
Anyway there isn't an easy answer really, folk will continue sitting there foot on brake. MOST CARS HAVE HANDBRAKES DONT YOU KNOW.
Vipers said:
If this for 5 - 10 mins doesn't bother you, well done, wish I could say the same.
I sat behind a small Peugeot the other day which had its brake lights on. The only thing which started to grate then was that one of the leds in the centre light started to flicker and subsequently flash after a while - but at an irregular frequency. Very annoying but mesmerising at the same time. I'm so confused.
doogz said:
Those that say they're 'dazzled' by brake lights, can you explain that to me?
Yeah, sometimes lights are a bit bright, but what actually happens to you when you're 'dazzled'?
Is it only red lights that do it? Does passing another car heading in the opposite direction on an unlit road dazzle you?
1) Brakes lights are much brighter ordinary rear lights.Yeah, sometimes lights are a bit bright, but what actually happens to you when you're 'dazzled'?
Is it only red lights that do it? Does passing another car heading in the opposite direction on an unlit road dazzle you?
2) Red lights also provoke the Purkinje effect in the eye, since red light doesn't trigger so much dilation more red light actually enters the eyes, so the eye sees a red light as brighter than blue (or white) light even at the same luminance.
Edited by Martin4x4 on Wednesday 26th November 17:41
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