Feet on brake pedal when stopped.
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doogz said:
Vipers said:
If this for 5 - 10 mins doesn't bother you, well done, wish I could say the same.
Try staring at them for 5-10 minutes. Do they bother you now? Yes?
So stop looking right at them, and you'll find the issue goes away.
doogz said:
Martin4x4 said:
doogz said:
Those that say they're 'dazzled' by brake lights, can you explain that to me?
Yeah, sometimes lights are a bit bright, but what actually happens to you when you're 'dazzled'?
Is it only red lights that do it? Does passing another car heading in the opposite direction on an unlit road dazzle you?
1) Brakes lights are much brighter ordinary rear lights.Yeah, sometimes lights are a bit bright, but what actually happens to you when you're 'dazzled'?
Is it only red lights that do it? Does passing another car heading in the opposite direction on an unlit road dazzle you?
2) Red lights also provoke the Purkinje effect in the eye, since red light doesn't trigger so much dilation more red light actually enters the eyes, so the eye see a red light as brighter than blue (or white) light even at the luminance.
Can you answer me though? Since, that didn't actually help at all.
Does anyone actually get 'dazzled' or are we using the word 'dazzled' to mean 'a bit annoyed'?
I don't think most drivers realise it may be a problem, not sure some are aware that pressing the brakes causes special lights to come on ! so expecting them to consider the person behind and them being subjected to a mild Retina burn is a bit of a leap, I reckon some drivers would be happy if their brake lights were death rays from War of The Worlds.
I think it's selfish and a display of sloppy driving. I wonder if the germans do it? Somehow I doubt that they do but I bet the brit drivers are obvious to them. Most of the people who do it still can't make a speedy getaway. Ordinary lights aren't especially bothersome but the LED's on audi's, volvos, beemers and mercs seem to be overly bright.
Boosted LS1 said:
I think it's selfish and a display of sloppy driving. I wonder if the germans do it? Somehow I doubt that they do but I bet the brit drivers are obvious to them. Most of the people who do it still can't make a speedy getaway. Ordinary lights aren't especially bothersome but the LED's on audi's, volvos, beemers and mercs seem to be overly bright.
Good points,just think about the people who are waiting behind your car.That is all I'm asking swearing at each other won't help.>J4CKO said:
I don't think most drivers realise it may be a problem, not sure some are aware that pressing the brakes causes special lights to come on ! so expecting them to consider the person behind and them being subjected to a mild Retina burn is a bit of a leap, I reckon some drivers would be happy if their brake lights were death rays from War of The Worlds.
No, the reason most people don't realise it may be a problem is because to most people it's not a problem...
ds moaning about the brightness of brake lights, because it "irritates" them. Seriously?Basic facts:
Standard tail light/sidelight bulb - 5w
Standard brake light bulb - 21w
Standard rear fog light bulb - 21w
Here's the scene:
M25 around LHR, 8pm, dark, bumper to bumper traffic, moderate drizzle. Not too far off what we've got around this time of year.
You wouldn't dream of leaving your (single) rear foglight on while the poor driver behind had to endure the glare from it, however some are totally fine with leaving their foot stomped on their brake pedal, shining what is effectively two rear foglights plus third centre light into their face. So kind.
Standard tail light/sidelight bulb - 5w
Standard brake light bulb - 21w
Standard rear fog light bulb - 21w
Here's the scene:
M25 around LHR, 8pm, dark, bumper to bumper traffic, moderate drizzle. Not too far off what we've got around this time of year.
You wouldn't dream of leaving your (single) rear foglight on while the poor driver behind had to endure the glare from it, however some are totally fine with leaving their foot stomped on their brake pedal, shining what is effectively two rear foglights plus third centre light into their face. So kind.
AClownsPocket said:
groomi said:
Stop/start needs a foot on the brake. I can either save the planet or the OP's retinas...
Depends on the car. My Golf doesn't require this. Stop, foot on brake, stop/start kicks in along with e-handbrake. Feet off, car remains stationary. Blip the throttle, engine starts but car remains stationary. No pissing off of the angry people who need to find a hobby Edited by groomi on Saturday 22 November 17:43
Boosted LS1 said:
I think it's selfish and a display of sloppy driving. I wonder if the germans do it? Somehow I doubt that they do but I bet the brit drivers are obvious to them. Most of the people who do it still can't make a speedy getaway. Ordinary lights aren't especially bothersome but the LED's on audi's, volvos, beemers and mercs seem to be overly bright.
A modern auto with an electric handbrake, stop start and auto hold enabled will do the following when stopped in a queue:Foot on brake to stop
Engine off, e-handbrake engages
Foot off brake
Wait - no clutch drag, no emissions output, no noise pollution
Queue moves, foot on accelerator, car starts, e-handbrake engages, gear engages and off you go in a seamless motion.
Now all the time the car is stopped the brake lights are illuminated.
I am pretty sure that moving the gear to N or P will restart the engine, so the driver is operating the car as intended by the engineers to minimise emissions. To all intents and purposes it feels like being in a manual in neutral with handbrake on and feet off the pedals except the brake lights are on, I doubt that the vast majority of drivers even know the brake lights are on.
mikal83 said:
I never put my handbrake on but try and dazzle moaning knobs like a few on here
And here we have another selfish driver. You know it's wrong, you know it bothers some drivers, but choose to ignore it, no better than middle lane hoggers in my opinion, it's wrong, they know it, but don't give a toss.Just for those who have forgotten what is in the HC -
You MUST NOT
use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders.
use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).
In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
Law RVLR reg 27
I was about to say "You can't argue about that", but obviously people do.
Vipers said:
(see Rule 226).
In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
Law RVLR reg 27
I was about to say "You can't argue about that", but obviously people do.
As per my previous post in many modern autos taking the foot of the footbrake does not deactivate the vehicle brake lights. I guess the engineers didn't read rule 226 In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
Law RVLR reg 27
I was about to say "You can't argue about that", but obviously people do.
Vipers said:
And here we have another selfish driver. You know it's wrong, you know it bothers some drivers, but choose to ignore it, no better than middle lane hoggers in my opinion, it's wrong, they know it, but don't give a toss.
Just for those who have forgotten what is in the HC -
You MUST NOT
use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders.
use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).
In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
Law RVLR reg 27
I was about to say "You can't argue about that", but obviously people do.
Moan moan moanJust for those who have forgotten what is in the HC -
You MUST NOT
use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders.
use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).
In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
Law RVLR reg 27
I was about to say "You can't argue about that", but obviously people do.
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