MTB mud tyres non lethal on rocks?
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Ive just switched to a tubeless Bontrager Mud X on the front which is great in the gloop but offers absolutely no grip or confidence over wet tarmac/rocks/roots etc
In fact its dammed lethal in these conditions
Mud used to scare me - now it doesnt, but Ive just shifted my fear to other types of terrain
What mud tyres are you lot using with a bit of cross over to the above?
Cheers
Not tubeless at the moment, but I'm using Maxxis Beavers (26" x 2.00").
I don't ride rocks at all, but there are LOTS of wet roots, and adverse camber ones at that, on the natural single track that I ride regularly.
The rear will slide out (controllably) on some of the bigger roots that are diagonally across the trails, but no 'squeaky bum' moments at all. And they are utterly brilliant in the mud, so I no linger suffer with complete traction loss, followed by foot in puddle moments like I used to. Oh, and they shed mud like nothing I've ever used before, so the tread is always clear and ready to bite into the next section. As a bonus, they're also pretty free-rolling in dry conditions.
I bought them from these guys... http://nextdaytyres.co.uk/search.aspx/TYRES-ALL ...and the pricing and service are absolutely first class. There are a couple of European sites that can beat them on prices (just), but when they say "next day" they really do mean it, and their stock levels seem accurately reflected on the site in real time.
I don't ride rocks at all, but there are LOTS of wet roots, and adverse camber ones at that, on the natural single track that I ride regularly.
The rear will slide out (controllably) on some of the bigger roots that are diagonally across the trails, but no 'squeaky bum' moments at all. And they are utterly brilliant in the mud, so I no linger suffer with complete traction loss, followed by foot in puddle moments like I used to. Oh, and they shed mud like nothing I've ever used before, so the tread is always clear and ready to bite into the next section. As a bonus, they're also pretty free-rolling in dry conditions.
I bought them from these guys... http://nextdaytyres.co.uk/search.aspx/TYRES-ALL ...and the pricing and service are absolutely first class. There are a couple of European sites that can beat them on prices (just), but when they say "next day" they really do mean it, and their stock levels seem accurately reflected on the site in real time.
jshell said:
Draggy, but I use a High Roller on the front as I've found nothing that gives me so much confidence.
Hmmmm, it was a High Roller I took off the front for the mud tyreWhilst I really rated the HR it was just too sketchy to give any confidence in the gloop, and theres plenty on the descents round here at the moment
Now I seem to have swapped great mud performance for near death experiences on other types of terrain
Mind you Ive just been looking at the High Roller II EXO which is reassuringly more expensive than the 2.35 one I took off my bike
Anyone use the 2.4 EXO???
numtumfutunch said:
jshell said:
Draggy, but I use a High Roller on the front as I've found nothing that gives me so much confidence.
Hmmmm, it was a High Roller I took off the front for the mud tyreWhilst I really rated the HR it was just too sketchy to give any confidence in the gloop, and theres plenty on the descents round here at the moment
Now I seem to have swapped great mud performance for near death experiences on other types of terrain
Mind you Ive just been looking at the High Roller II EXO which is reassuringly more expensive than the 2.35 one I took off my bike
Anyone use the 2.4 EXO???
Rubber Queens, or Trail Kings as they're called now are pretty good in mud, on rock, hard-pack great all-rounder although IMO High Rollers are miles ahead when it's dry.
I'd just be sure to get the Black Chilli ones, the OE ones (which I believe the tubeless ready ones are, or were?) are utter crap lookalikes made in the far east under licence.
The downsides with them is they're lightly built so you need to run a decent pressure to stop them squirming in the corners or ripping - so I tend to use them for natural trails but switch to High Rollers for the Trail Centres and BPW where the speeds are higher - if I wanted one tyre to rule them all I'd go with Minion Fronts front and rear, they don't spin up like the Conti's but they're not bad and they're better on the wet stuff then High Rollers.
I'd just be sure to get the Black Chilli ones, the OE ones (which I believe the tubeless ready ones are, or were?) are utter crap lookalikes made in the far east under licence.
The downsides with them is they're lightly built so you need to run a decent pressure to stop them squirming in the corners or ripping - so I tend to use them for natural trails but switch to High Rollers for the Trail Centres and BPW where the speeds are higher - if I wanted one tyre to rule them all I'd go with Minion Fronts front and rear, they don't spin up like the Conti's but they're not bad and they're better on the wet stuff then High Rollers.
I've run tubeless Black Chilli compound Conti Rubber Queens and now Trail Kings for nearly 3 years as an all year round wheel and they've been amazing. I just can't be bothered to change tyres depending on season, and the Conti's allow for me being lazy so I like them a lot.
As for there quality on rocks I did an uplift day at Antur Stiniog last November and on the blue & red (nowhere near balls, let alone talent for the blacks) trails which are quite rocky in parts the bike was fantastic.
As for there quality on rocks I did an uplift day at Antur Stiniog last November and on the blue & red (nowhere near balls, let alone talent for the blacks) trails which are quite rocky in parts the bike was fantastic.
jshell said:
I hope that black chilli comound is a fantastic evolution coz all of my best 'offs' were on Conti's! I would take a lot to get me back on them.
It's not that new, but it's a complete game changer on Conti's - by using witchcraft they've managed to make them more grippy, faster rolling and longer lasting than the OE ones, which might just have something to do with the OE ones being complete crap.If cost was ever an indication - OE Rubber Queens can be bought for as little as £12 each, Black Chilli ones are £40 - £50 each, and aside from the rubber used they're identical.
P-Jay said:
jshell said:
I hope that black chilli comound is a fantastic evolution coz all of my best 'offs' were on Conti's! I would take a lot to get me back on them.
It's not that new, but it's a complete game changer on Conti's - by using witchcraft they've managed to make them more grippy, faster rolling and longer lasting than the OE ones, which might just have something to do with the OE ones being complete crap.If cost was ever an indication - OE Rubber Queens can be bought for as little as £12 each, Black Chilli ones are £40 - £50 each, and aside from the rubber used they're identical.
These are supposed to be good in mixed conditions including wet rock:
http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/compone...
I'm might have to get a set for the winter as I'm still running Racing Ralph's and they're lethal in this filth.
http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/compone...
I'm might have to get a set for the winter as I'm still running Racing Ralph's and they're lethal in this filth.
joema said:
If it's wet lower your pressures and think differently about how to ride things by taking straight lines as much as you can.
Also let your wheels roll.
Maxxis have a tyre coming out called the shorty that should be pretty useful
Looked at the shorty last week at surrey hills, big ass chunky tyre but the guy riding iit said it rolled quite well, which surprises me when you see it.Also let your wheels roll.
Maxxis have a tyre coming out called the shorty that should be pretty useful
http://nextdaytyres.co.uk/search.aspx?search=short...
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