Vixen 5 speed gearbox conversion
Discussion
Adrian@ said:
I wonder what I will do....re-engineer the gear box OR...
http://s169.photobucket.com/user/neilgriff400/medi...
Adrian@
You should give me a bell Adrian. if you keep breaking those 2000E boxes I may have a spare one for you http://s169.photobucket.com/user/neilgriff400/medi...
Adrian@
Here's a current pic
Its only a little 4 speeder this one…OE as well but don't tell anyone
N.
Yeah 174 BHP but 'track' type driving is what I meant.....
What I know about type 9....(but it might be wrong..)
Yes, the gearset with higher first was fitted into 2.8 engines, the 4 cyls and 2.3V6 had the lower first.
The input shaft was longer on the Cologne engines. So this means that both ratio sets are definitely available for Cologne block. I understand that the input shafts have 18 or 19 teeth.
So unless there is a short shaft with 19 teeth, a taller gear ratio for 4 cyl would be a 'special' input shaft.
I guess type 9 must have appeared elsewhere too, so there might be one.
I have built a 6 cyl Cologne compatible from a 4 cyl by swopping input shaft for a 2.3 one, and using a 4 speed bellhousing from a 4 speed type 'E' box. It works just fine.
Later gboxes had a modified front layshaft bearing, that's what failed, even on standard 2.8i engines. I guess you should be able to get one of these modded boxes with a speedo cable outlet. I think you can mod an older box for later bearing type? Ford went to MT75 box after that...
What I know about type 9....(but it might be wrong..)
Yes, the gearset with higher first was fitted into 2.8 engines, the 4 cyls and 2.3V6 had the lower first.
The input shaft was longer on the Cologne engines. So this means that both ratio sets are definitely available for Cologne block. I understand that the input shafts have 18 or 19 teeth.
So unless there is a short shaft with 19 teeth, a taller gear ratio for 4 cyl would be a 'special' input shaft.
I guess type 9 must have appeared elsewhere too, so there might be one.
I have built a 6 cyl Cologne compatible from a 4 cyl by swopping input shaft for a 2.3 one, and using a 4 speed bellhousing from a 4 speed type 'E' box. It works just fine.
Later gboxes had a modified front layshaft bearing, that's what failed, even on standard 2.8i engines. I guess you should be able to get one of these modded boxes with a speedo cable outlet. I think you can mod an older box for later bearing type? Ford went to MT75 box after that...
Later gboxes had a modified front layshaft bearing, that's what failed, even on standard 2.8i engines. I guess you should be able to get one of these modded boxes with a speedo cable outlet. I think you can mod an older box for later bearing type? Ford went to MT75 box after that...
But the extension on the later 2.9 Type 9 sticks out into the bell housing face, so requiring the bell housing to be converted or bought to suit, with the price of ANY second hand type 9 being so high here, you need to get it right, I can see a time that this conversion is too much money to make it viable in any form.
Adrian@
But the extension on the later 2.9 Type 9 sticks out into the bell housing face, so requiring the bell housing to be converted or bought to suit, with the price of ANY second hand type 9 being so high here, you need to get it right, I can see a time that this conversion is too much money to make it viable in any form.
Adrian@
Edited by Adrian@ on Wednesday 26th November 19:04
Adrian@ said:
.....But the extension on the later 2.9 Type 9 sticks out into the bell housing face, so requiring the bell housing to be converted or bought to suit.....
Ah, right. I wasn't aware of that. I guess you can't just drill an extra hole in the bellhousing without careful checking.I know there were 'long' rollers available for the original layshaft, but apparently they only help a little bit...
this is all interesting stuff for me to learn.
Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 26th November 19:48
missingbadly999 said:
So putting aside various exotic alternatives on engine, gearbox and shafts -
Are there issues with the speedo, what have people with conversions done about this?
A GPS odometer and speedo can be had for as little as £80 these days.. Not sure about a fake OEM one though??Are there issues with the speedo, what have people with conversions done about this?
Their will be a solution out there.
N.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electronic-Speedo-Adapto...
Having not really spent much time looking at the various solutions I am reasonably confident that many will exist. 5 speed type 9's have been being transplanted for getting on for 30 years now…Scary how old we are getting??
N.
Having not really spent much time looking at the various solutions I am reasonably confident that many will exist. 5 speed type 9's have been being transplanted for getting on for 30 years now…Scary how old we are getting??
N.
missingbadly999 said:
So no one has a Mk2 Cortina speedo when running a 5 speed?
My bad, in that I am confusing things a little...the later 2.9 version of the type 9 comes with a electronic sensor, and although it is the stronger box the speedo issue needs addressing (see the above post and these days you can get a GPS speedo), but for the 1600 it is my understanding that the correct boxes all have standard cable drives.Adrian@
Nice Photo - not seen that before - I see it's a BIG difference to the bellhousing.
Can I throw in just a little bomb, which is the speedo calibration (cable speedos) ??
There are/were different speedo drive sets too, to cater for a wide range of diff ratios - all Ford speedos are calibrated to 1000 turns per mile, as far as I know...
So a 2 litre Sierra box may well have different calibration to a 1.8 Granada ...
Can I throw in just a little bomb, which is the speedo calibration (cable speedos) ??
There are/were different speedo drive sets too, to cater for a wide range of diff ratios - all Ford speedos are calibrated to 1000 turns per mile, as far as I know...
So a 2 litre Sierra box may well have different calibration to a 1.8 Granada ...
tobsam said:
The S2 Vixen 1600 that I have just sold (the one that you bid for on my recent ebay auction and then retracted your bid ) has had the 5 speed gearbox conversion carried out on it.
In the history file, that is with the car, a previous owner made a very documented written record of everything that he did to the car during his ownership which included the 5 speed conversion and a full list of all of the parts used with the part numbers as well. I am sure that most if not all of these parts are still available these days.
I could always photocopy the relevant pages of the conversion for you before the new owner of the Vixen comes to collect it.
Hi I have sent you a couple of PM'S - have you got them and can you send on the details of the conversion?In the history file, that is with the car, a previous owner made a very documented written record of everything that he did to the car during his ownership which included the 5 speed conversion and a full list of all of the parts used with the part numbers as well. I am sure that most if not all of these parts are still available these days.
I could always photocopy the relevant pages of the conversion for you before the new owner of the Vixen comes to collect it.
Many thanks
missingbadly999 said:
Hi I have sent you a couple of PM'S - have you got them and can you send on the details of the conversion?
Many thanks
Hi. Sorry what with work and the limited time I have had recently I forgot all about taking a copy of the gearbox conversion and part numbers etc that were in the history file and unfortunately the car has now gone to its new home.Many thanks
Sorry.
tobsam said:
Hi. Sorry what with work and the limited time I have had recently I forgot all about taking a copy of the gearbox conversion and part numbers etc that were in the history file and unfortunately the car has now gone to its new home.
Sorry.
I thought that may be the case as I hadnt had a response to the pm's. Thanks anyway.Sorry.
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