Terror threat at an all time high

Terror threat at an all time high

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Pickled

2,051 posts

142 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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egor110 said:
In England?

As i said i'm sure they did in Ireland , however these new muslim terror groups are pushing things on a bit.
2 off the top of my head, Ross McWhirter (twin brother of Norris) was assassinated outside his home in Enfield, and a soldier was shot and killed at a train station.

egor110

16,818 posts

202 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Pickled said:
egor110 said:
In England?

As i said i'm sure they did in Ireland , however these new muslim terror groups are pushing things on a bit.
2 off the top of my head, Ross McWhirter (twin brother of Norris) was assassinated outside his home in Enfield, and a soldier was shot and killed at a train station.
Right you are, i learn something every day.

Strange how i remember the attack on downing street yet someone being assasinated i'd never heard of.

TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Pickled said:
2 off the top of my head, Ross McWhirter (twin brother of Norris) was assassinated outside his home in Enfield, and a soldier was shot and killed at a train station.
When I was in the navy in the early 1990s one never went ashore in rig as the threat from the IRA (while much reduced) was still there for armed forces personnel in uniform. These days there seem to be men and women in uniform everywhere, and yet we are apparently at an all time high threat level from terrorists...

Pickled

2,051 posts

142 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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TTwiggy said:
When I was in the navy in the early 1990s one never went ashore in rig as the threat from the IRA (while much reduced) was still there for armed forces personnel in uniform. These days there seem to be men and women in uniform everywhere, and yet we are apparently at an all time high threat level from terrorists...
Looking back it was amazing how long it took to scrap BFG (british forces germany) plates!

Pickled

2,051 posts

142 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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egor110 said:
Right you are, i learn something every day.

Strange how i remember the attack on downing street yet someone being assasinated i'd never heard of.
I have an inherent personal hatred of the IRA my best mate at school was one of the victims of the Ballygawley bus bomb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballygawley_bus_bombi... (Alex Lewis) his first posting after basic training, and I was living at RAF Uxbridge when the IRA tried to bomb the music school there.

JuniorD

8,616 posts

222 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Pickled said:
2 off the top of my head, Ross McWhirter (twin brother of Norris) was assassinated outside his home in Enfield, and a soldier was shot and killed at a train station.
From Ross Mcwhirter's wiki entry:

"McWhirter advocated restrictions on the Irish community in Britain such as making it compulsory for all Irish people in Britain to register with the local police and to provide signed photographs of themselves when renting flats or booking into hotels and hostels."

Quite extreme!

Pickled

2,051 posts

142 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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JuniorD said:
From Ross Mcwhirter's wiki entry:

"McWhirter advocated restrictions on the Irish community in Britain such as making it compulsory for all Irish people in Britain to register with the local police and to provide signed photographs of themselves when renting flats or booking into hotels and hostels."

Quite extreme!
Ironic that the book he and his brother made famous was backed by the most famous Irish export!

egor110

16,818 posts

202 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Pickled said:
egor110 said:
Right you are, i learn something every day.

Strange how i remember the attack on downing street yet someone being assasinated i'd never heard of.
I have an inherent personal hatred of the IRA my best mate at school was one of the victims of the Ballygawley bus bomb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballygawley_bus_bombi... (Alex Lewis) his first posting after basic training, and I was living at RAF Uxbridge when the IRA tried to bomb the music school there.
'Two months after the attack, the British Government introduced the broadcasting ban. It meant that the voices of Sinn Féin and IRA members were not allowed to be broadcast on television or radio. The Ballygawley bus bombing is believed to have influenced the Government's decision to introduce the ban'

Perhaps this is the route we should be taking with isis?

Although with the internet would it even be possible to give then zero publicity?

Art0ir

9,401 posts

169 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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What's all the protest and indignation about?

Snowden and many before him showed us this is already happening and has been since the first telephone exchange went live.

All these laws do is ratify what is already going on.

JuniorD

8,616 posts

222 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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egor110 said:
'Two months after the attack, the British Government introduced the broadcasting ban. It meant that the voices of Sinn Féin and IRA members were not allowed to be broadcast on television or radio. The Ballygawley bus bombing is believed to have influenced the Government's decision to introduce the ban'

Perhaps this is the route we should be taking with isis?

Although with the internet would it even be possible to give then zero publicity?
The broadcasting ban was completely undemocratic and easily cirmumvented with the voices of actors being dubbed onto interviews. Still, it gave empoyment to otherwise short of work actors for years.

egor110

16,818 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Art0ir said:
What's all the protest and indignation about?

Snowden and many before him showed us this is already happening and has been since the first telephone exchange went live.

All these laws do is ratify what is already going on.
Do you class people chattering away on a forum as protest?

This law will be passed people will grumble then accept it.

When was the last time this country as a whole actually protested?

poll tax riots, anti gulf war london march all other's such as countryside alliance, student fee protests were just little groups with a bee in there bonnet.

Art0ir

9,401 posts

169 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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egor110 said:
Art0ir said:
What's all the protest and indignation about?

Snowden and many before him showed us this is already happening and has been since the first telephone exchange went live.

All these laws do is ratify what is already going on.
Do you class people chattering away on a forum as protest?

This law will be passed people will grumble then accept it.

When was the last time this country as a whole actually protested?

poll tax riots, anti gulf war london march all other's such as countryside alliance, student fee protests were just little groups with a bee in there bonnet.
It's certainly an expression of objection through words or actions, yes. I agree with your broader point though.

hidetheelephants

23,772 posts

192 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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egor110 said:
audidoody said:
As someone who worked in central London during the 1970's and early 1980's I can categorically say, with complete confidence that the terror threat now is not at an all-time high. I was working in Lancaster Gate when the Hyde Park bomb went off and shattered our office window.

Edited by audidoody on Monday 24th November 22:11
The ira were not willing to be martyred though.

Were they ever as brazen as to kill and pretty much behead a soldier near as damm it next to his base?
Two sappers were shot dead outside their barracks in NI in 2009; after the initial attack the gunmen approached the victims and executed them. that seems pretty brazen to me.

LucreLout

908 posts

117 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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smegmore said:
There was very little anti-Irish sentiment during the heyday of IRA attacks on the mainland
That's not true. Plenty of signs saying "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" and that was only the start.

DeanR32

1,840 posts

182 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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You'd be fked owning a black Irish wolfhound then!!

Do we think this sort of prejudices came about before or after the IRA?

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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DeanR32 said:
You'd be fked owning a black Irish wolfhound then!!

Do we think this sort of prejudices came about before or after the IRA?
I think we'd need to define "before the IRA" and that's be an interesting debate.

DeanR32

1,840 posts

182 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Edinburger said:
DeanR32 said:
You'd be fked owning a black Irish wolfhound then!!

Do we think this sort of prejudices came about before or after the IRA?
I think we'd need to define "before the IRA" and that's be an interesting debate.
I mean before any type of terrorist activities. Or did the nation just not like them full stop?

We all know the history of this nation and it's tolerance towards certain groups in the past, and recently it's very much towards the Muslims (and for the half brain population, Asians in general, as they can't tell the difference!), but as there is a history of hatred towards Asians (amongst others), has this fuelled an instant resurgence of hate towards them?

Hope that made sense



LucreLout

908 posts

117 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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DeanR32 said:
Or did the nation just not like them full stop?
Don't be so ridiculous. We've always loved dogs wink

DeanR32

1,840 posts

182 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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"Woof woof to be sure be sure!

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Edinburger said:
I think we'd need to define "before the IRA" and that's be an interesting debate.
Pre IRA times, a very large number of Irish immigrants were here to help build the infrastructure of the Industrial revolution- the navvies. Hard working and hard drinking they were not always entirely welcome, and perhaps that was where the prejudice came from.

As someone who's actually been in an IRA bomb blast (M6, jct 10 1997), I can say they never really influenced my (generally positive) opinion of the Irish.

As for Islam, I think comparing the current terrorism with the IRA is erroneous. Firstly, the IRA was not as opposed to British culture as certain Muslim groups are against the West in general. There are other problems - the rape gangs being a very high profile example - that are part and parcel of this dislocation within our society, which make public attitudes and tolerance very different.