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Prof Prolapse said:
If you contest the fact the world is getting warmer based on a grievance with CRUK, then I would argue you probably don't need to as their data have been duplicated by other other bodies like NASA (IIRC). You also have masses of observational evidence which cannot be faked, no matter how wild the conspiracy theory.
To me the fact we're still leaving the mini-ice age that caused the classic Victorian deep snow at xmas cards' explains why the world is warming up. It's no warmer now than they think the 12th century was for example.Nigel Worc's said:
MAG ??????? 
Apart from making motorcyclists look stupid by whinging, have they ever actually achieved anything ?
I remember them campaigning against compulsory wearing of crash helmets, that obviously went well, anything else ?
Apart from making motorcyclists look stupid by whinging, have they ever actually achieved anything ?
I remember them campaigning against compulsory wearing of crash helmets, that obviously went well, anything else ?
They stopped tolls for bikes on the Dartford crossing (and, I think some other crossings).
They were a big part of the opposition to compulsory leg protectors.
They were/are heavily involved in getting bike access to bus lanes.
They were a big part of the opposition to a mandatory 100bhp limit.
.... so, nothing important then!
black-k1 said:
They stopped tolls for bikes on the Dartford crossing (and, I think some other crossings).
They were a big part of the opposition to compulsory leg protectors.
They were/are heavily involved in getting bike access to bus lanes.
They were a big part of the opposition to a mandatory 100bhp limit.
.... so, nothing important then!
Hooli said:
Prof Prolapse said:
If you contest the fact the world is getting warmer based on a grievance with CRUK, then I would argue you probably don't need to as their data have been duplicated by other other bodies like NASA (IIRC). You also have masses of observational evidence which cannot be faked, no matter how wild the conspiracy theory.
To me the fact we're still leaving the mini-ice age that caused the classic Victorian deep snow at xmas cards' explains why the world is warming up. It's no warmer now than they think the 12th century was for example.I don't think we should meander on about this as we're going off topic, but this is a good website;
http://www.skepticalscience.com/coming-out-of-litt...
Just remember when the climate revolutionaries come, you won't be spared.
There was a campaign around type approval a while ago. MAG urged us to write to our MEPs. I wrote to mine an of the four the only sensible and informed one about the whole thing was from Farage ( or whoever wrote it for him). He knew exactly what the issue was about and why it was a bad thing.
Type approval is ongoing and a classic example of an EU bureaucratic f
kup. A law without a basis. go to http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6972 for more information.
The latest EU plan is ABS for all new bikes - http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a7180
I'm pleased MAG are there fighting our corner.
Type approval is ongoing and a classic example of an EU bureaucratic f
kup. A law without a basis. go to http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6972 for more information.The latest EU plan is ABS for all new bikes - http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a7180
I'm pleased MAG are there fighting our corner.
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The latest EU plan is ABS for all new bikes - http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a7180
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But is this an especially bad thing??
Whilst I have issues with the whole type approval ideology, mandating ABS is a no brainer, No?
The latest EU plan is ABS for all new bikes - http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a7180
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But is this an especially bad thing??
Whilst I have issues with the whole type approval ideology, mandating ABS is a no brainer, No?
bass gt3]teelerSE said:
The latest EU plan is ABS for all new bikes - http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a7180
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But is this an especially bad thing??
Whilst I have issues with the whole type approval ideology, mandating ABS is a no brainer, No?
Depends on how you feel about choices being taken away from you. I expect most manufacturers would gravitate towards ABS as standard anyway, but a lot of people feel strongly about being dictated to quote]
But is this an especially bad thing??
Whilst I have issues with the whole type approval ideology, mandating ABS is a no brainer, No?
bass gt3 said:
SteelerSE said:
The latest EU plan is ABS for all new bikes - http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a7180
But is this an especially bad thing?? Whilst I have issues with the whole type approval ideology, mandating ABS is a no brainer, No?
nervous said:
black-k1 said:
They stopped tolls for bikes on the Dartford crossing (and, I think some other crossings).
They were a big part of the opposition to compulsory leg protectors.
They were/are heavily involved in getting bike access to bus lanes.
They were a big part of the opposition to a mandatory 100bhp limit.
.... so, nothing important then!
Switch bike off - gloves off - helmet off- find £20 note in a pocket somewhere – find pocket somewhere for change – helmet on – gloves on – start bike – ride off
All taking significant time.
Ride to next junction to turn around and return to repeat the process.
As traffic queues built (which didn't take long!!!) ensure filtering to the front of the queue!
After that day of action it was announced that bikes would be toll free! I believe MAG have organised similar events for tolls elsewhere with similar results.
The UK was the only large EU (or was it EEC or EC back then?) country that didn’t already have a 100bhp limit when there was a push to make it mandatory. The UK government were initially the only significant objectors and I’m sure that was as a direct result of lobbying by MAG and the BMF. I would suggest that it is very likely we would have a 100bhp limit in Europe had MAG not been involved.
As for the others, it’s hard to say but things changed as a result of lobbying and MAG were/are very active in lobbying.
Fleegle said:
Depends on how you feel about choices being taken away from you. I expect most manufacturers would gravitate towards ABS as standard anyway, but a lot of people feel strongly about being dictated to
I do understand T but I think there's a difference between being told you can't replace the sprockets or exhaust with something different and imposing or imlementing safety systems. people don't get all het up about the Euro emissions regs, rather they fit PCV's and pipes etc and circumvent the manufacturers imposed values required to satisfy the regs. Since the introduction of ABS and Airbags in cars, I don't think people have been overly aggrieved especially as there seems to be some leeway in regards to specialist manufacturers like Caterham etc not needing to adhere to the regs due to low numbers. it comes down to the age old question of personal freedoms vs the general good.
With regards to teaching how to do an emergency stop with a non-ABS equipped vehicle;
It's one thing to teach someone, and it's another thing for that person to regularly and routinely practise such a thing in order to retain knowledge of how to behave and what to expect.
People are taught lots of things on their vehicle tests, then they pass, buy their vehicle and 6 months later have got into their own habits and style of driving and have not applied many of the lessons learned. Things done all the time are well-remembered and well-practised, but other things like an emergency stop are not done unless absolutly required, so people forget what to do and how to react; they just grab the brakes and hope for the best. A good example is all the people who use the front an d rear brakes like they are supposed to while training and on test; they pass, and then rarely touch the rear brake (I never understand why, it is a useful tool especially at low speeds).
ABS is a good thing. ABS does not take away control, more it enables you to retain control. Cars have ABS and all sorts of other great gizos and bikes are always behind in terms of having good technology. I am strongly of the opinon that all bikes should have heated grips, because it's not an expensive addition. A vast majority of cars have air conditioning yet in this country we dont need to use it but for the warmest days of the year, so why not have heated grips that can be used when you get caught out in the rain, or have to make a trip in the cold on your bike?
It's one thing to teach someone, and it's another thing for that person to regularly and routinely practise such a thing in order to retain knowledge of how to behave and what to expect.
People are taught lots of things on their vehicle tests, then they pass, buy their vehicle and 6 months later have got into their own habits and style of driving and have not applied many of the lessons learned. Things done all the time are well-remembered and well-practised, but other things like an emergency stop are not done unless absolutly required, so people forget what to do and how to react; they just grab the brakes and hope for the best. A good example is all the people who use the front an d rear brakes like they are supposed to while training and on test; they pass, and then rarely touch the rear brake (I never understand why, it is a useful tool especially at low speeds).
ABS is a good thing. ABS does not take away control, more it enables you to retain control. Cars have ABS and all sorts of other great gizos and bikes are always behind in terms of having good technology. I am strongly of the opinon that all bikes should have heated grips, because it's not an expensive addition. A vast majority of cars have air conditioning yet in this country we dont need to use it but for the warmest days of the year, so why not have heated grips that can be used when you get caught out in the rain, or have to make a trip in the cold on your bike?
Hooli said:
bass gt3 said:
SteelerSE said:
The latest EU plan is ABS for all new bikes - http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a7180
But is this an especially bad thing?? Whilst I have issues with the whole type approval ideology, mandating ABS is a no brainer, No?
Mandatory ABS on training bikes will be a good thing as it will teach riders where the grip limit is, safe in the knowledge that going past that limit while learning will not end up as an accident as it does in the majority of front wheel lock ups.
black-k1 said:
The UK was the only large EU (or was it EEC or EC back then?) country that didn’t already have a 100bhp limit when there was a push to make it mandatory. The UK government were initially the only significant objectors and I’m sure that was as a direct result of lobbying by MAG and the BMF. I would suggest that it is very likely we would have a 100bhp limit in Europe had MAG not been involved.
It is true that there was a move for the EU to implement a 100hp limit in 2010, but the only country that actually had one in place was France. No other european country (to my knowledge) has ever had a 100hp limit for road motorcycles.Given the current motorcycle licence regime, anything that might prevent the EU and our useless government colluding to kill motorcycling is a good thing.
Far too many laws, especially motoring laws, and especially motoring laws that affect motorcyclists (or rather, affect anything that isn't some sort of standard 4 plus-wheeled vehicle), are drawn up and enacted by people who do not have a fking clue. Just ask the Morgan Motor Company.
Far too many laws, especially motoring laws, and especially motoring laws that affect motorcyclists (or rather, affect anything that isn't some sort of standard 4 plus-wheeled vehicle), are drawn up and enacted by people who do not have a f
king clue. Just ask the Morgan Motor Company.Edited by gareth_r on Wednesday 26th November 15:38
boyse7en said:
black-k1 said:
The UK was the only large EU (or was it EEC or EC back then?) country that didn’t already have a 100bhp limit when there was a push to make it mandatory. The UK government were initially the only significant objectors and I’m sure that was as a direct result of lobbying by MAG and the BMF. I would suggest that it is very likely we would have a 100bhp limit in Europe had MAG not been involved.
It is true that there was a move for the EU to implement a 100hp limit in 2010, but the only country that actually had one in place was France. No other european country (to my knowledge) has ever had a 100hp limit for road motorcycles.Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff