No charges for Missouri cop who shot unarmed teenager
Discussion
I am a 'police hater' but having deeply researched the brutality and injustice suffered by minorities/poorer people in the hands of the police and the justice system in the US, I have to commend the police and the justice system in this country.
It isnt perfect (De Menezes, Abul Koyair e.t.c) but its a million times better than what obtains in the US. Look at how much they have scrutinized the police in the shooting of Azelle Rodney and Mark Duggan (I think these shootings were jusified)
It isnt perfect (De Menezes, Abul Koyair e.t.c) but its a million times better than what obtains in the US. Look at how much they have scrutinized the police in the shooting of Azelle Rodney and Mark Duggan (I think these shootings were jusified)
Jimbeaux said:
Watch this video, especially at 1:25 on. This is from Milwaukee WI. Good perspective. Scroll below the pic, the video frame is lower down the page:
https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
The 'police hater' types are as bloody stupid and bigoted as the worst examples the Police can produce. The outburst from this Chief is emotive and emotional, but his concern for the citizens they protect and the officers in harms way is IMO honest and heartfelt. https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Obviously it was a bit of a generalization Matt....
I have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
I am black. I find the actions and behaviour of the Ferguson residents a fI have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
king embarrassment. Perhaps if they worked harder in school, they wouldn't find themselves (1) Running at and attacking policemen and getting shot, or (2), Participating in riotsAtmospheric said:
Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Obviously it was a bit of a generalization Matt....
I have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
I am black. I find the actions and behaviour of the Ferguson residents a fI have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
king embarrassment. Perhaps if they worked harder in school, they wouldn't find themselves (1) Running at and attacking policemen and getting shot, or (2), Participating in riotsThe "working hard in school" remarks are just contemptible and uninformed and actually just the sort of comments that the usual racist suspects trot out. I have black friends who work hard, have good jobs and a middle class lifestyle who still get "attention" from the cops. You'd better believe that DWB is a very real thing in the USA and it's indicative of an institutional prejudice in police forces up and down this country. Even right wing politician like Rand Paul accept that the police use discrimination when disproportionately targeting African Americans. It's not a matter of conjecture, it's fact.
A black man living in Kent is not going to have anything close to the experiences with the police of a black man living in Ferguson or South side Chicago or Watts has or a Hispanic man who happens upon race baiters like Sheriff Arpaio in Arizona.
KareemK said:
You only have to look at the footage from the 60's of black kids walking through the guantlet of white hatred towards them as they are bused into schools or colleges to get a feel for why racism is such an issue for the black community in the US. In the race to the American Dream blacks started at the back of the grid.
That mindset still exists in the good old US of A to this day and regardless of the rights or wrongs of this particular incident is something that has to be addressed eventually as perceptions are well and truly entrenched on both sides.
Throw a grotesquely over-militarised police force and a civilian population bristling with firearms into the mix and these incidents will continue forever more.
You sound very much like the BBC reporters in the press briefings over here, very sure of your correctness of perspective and opinion; when in actuality, being about as aware of the finer points as much as I would know which ale is served in which UK free house.That mindset still exists in the good old US of A to this day and regardless of the rights or wrongs of this particular incident is something that has to be addressed eventually as perceptions are well and truly entrenched on both sides.
Throw a grotesquely over-militarised police force and a civilian population bristling with firearms into the mix and these incidents will continue forever more.
spaximus said:
Jimbeaux said:
Watch this video, especially at 1:25 on. This is from Milwaukee WI. Good perspective. Scroll below the pic, the video frame is lower down the page:
https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
It will fall on the wrong ears I am afraid. It was the same when the Police shot a guy in London, the riots and looting were nothing to do with it opportunistic people who are criminals nothing else. This officer sees the things others do not and even the reporters could see that was genuine feelings not some rehearsed speel.https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
MarshPhantom said:
dudleybloke said:
Jasandjules said:
There is a pic of him on facebook doing the rounds - pointing a weapon at the camera with a wad of cash in his mouth. The Caption is something like "not the picture the media will show"..
the pic is another lad apparently. head either.Reported on news that 2 FBI had been shot and wounded - seems to have gone quiet now.
Eclassy said:
I am a 'police hater' but having deeply researched the brutality and injustice suffered by minorities/poorer people in the hands of the police and the justice system in the US, I have to commend the police and the justice system in this country.
It isnt perfect (De Menezes, Abul Koyair e.t.c) but its a million times better than what obtains in the US. Look at how much they have scrutinized the police in the shooting of Azelle Rodney and Mark Duggan (I think these shootings were jusified)
That is an ill educated statement. Police departments here are different by multiple jurisdictions within each state; there is not a single force identical. Your comparison is illegitimate.It isnt perfect (De Menezes, Abul Koyair e.t.c) but its a million times better than what obtains in the US. Look at how much they have scrutinized the police in the shooting of Azelle Rodney and Mark Duggan (I think these shootings were jusified)
KTF said:
Apparently Browns civil rights might have been violated:
So was the cop he beat, so was the store owner he robbed and assaulted.BBC News said:
The decision means Mr Wilson will not face state criminal charges over the shooting. However, the US Justice Department has also launched a federal investigation into whether Mr Wilson violated Mr Brown's civil rights.
Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30214001Atmospheric said:
Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Obviously it was a bit of a generalization Matt....
I have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
I am black. I find the actions and behaviour of the Ferguson residents a fI have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
king embarrassment. Perhaps if they worked harder in school, they wouldn't find themselves (1) Running at and attacking policemen and getting shot, or (2), Participating in riots
Marching in London tonight...
Story here...
Story here...
Article said:
Hundreds of people have taken part in a demonstration outside the US embassy in London condemning the decision not to charge a police officer with shooting Missouri teenager Michael Brown.
Protesters observed a minute's silence before marching down Oxford Street.
They were joined by Carole Duggan, whose nephew Mark was shot dead by a Met police officer in 2011.
She told the crowd "we know the pain of losing somebody at the hands of the police".
She told them they were sending a message to the family of Michael Brown.
"That is why we stand in solidarity with the community of Ferguson. I feel they are very strong and brave people."
She went on: "They've come to a point in Ferguson where there is no turning back.
"They have to carry on fighting. They have to see this through. We have to stand behind them because you know what happens there will eventually happen here."
Protesters observed a minute's silence before marching down Oxford Street.
They were joined by Carole Duggan, whose nephew Mark was shot dead by a Met police officer in 2011.
She told the crowd "we know the pain of losing somebody at the hands of the police".
She told them they were sending a message to the family of Michael Brown.
"That is why we stand in solidarity with the community of Ferguson. I feel they are very strong and brave people."
She went on: "They've come to a point in Ferguson where there is no turning back.
"They have to carry on fighting. They have to see this through. We have to stand behind them because you know what happens there will eventually happen here."
Seeing that they want an end to police racism and they see any incident of any kind which involves a police officer stopping anyone who isn't white from doing anything as racism.
One must ask the question
How do you solve this issue?
The only way i can see it is make any non-white to be immune from any police action
However
If they are immune from any negative police action then they should surely also be immune to any positive police action
So any non-white calls up and complains about anything then just say
"Sorry sir can't help"
Seeing that they are currently setting fire to their own area i can't see it being too long before they scream racism
I can see the racists here
And they ain't wearing a uniform
One must ask the question
How do you solve this issue?
The only way i can see it is make any non-white to be immune from any police action
However
If they are immune from any negative police action then they should surely also be immune to any positive police action
So any non-white calls up and complains about anything then just say
"Sorry sir can't help"
Seeing that they are currently setting fire to their own area i can't see it being too long before they scream racism
I can see the racists here
And they ain't wearing a uniform
unrepentant said:
Atmospheric said:
Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Obviously it was a bit of a generalization Matt....
I have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
I am black. I find the actions and behaviour of the Ferguson residents a fI have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
king embarrassment. Perhaps if they worked harder in school, they wouldn't find themselves (1) Running at and attacking policemen and getting shot, or (2), Participating in riotsThe "working hard in school" remarks are just contemptible and uninformed and actually just the sort of comments that the usual racist suspects trot out. I have black friends who work hard, have good jobs and a middle class lifestyle who still get "attention" from the cops. You'd better believe that DWB is a very real thing in the USA and it's indicative of an institutional prejudice in police forces up and down this country. Even right wing politician like Rand Paul accept that the police use discrimination when disproportionately targeting African Americans. It's not a matter of conjecture, it's fact.
A black man living in Kent is not going to have anything close to the experiences with the police of a black man living in Ferguson or South side Chicago or Watts has or a Hispanic man who happens upon race baiters like Sheriff Arpaio in Arizona.
Incidentally, you know nothing about me or where I have lived or what I have experienced. I would suggest that I may be less "uninformed" (as you put it) on the subject than you and your vicarious dealings with it.
nelly1 said:
Marching in London tonight...
Story here...
Looks the typical mix of studarrrrrrrrnt 'yah yahh' and rent-a-mob types Story here...
Article said:
Hundreds of people have taken part in a demonstration outside the US embassy in London condemning the decision not to charge a police officer with shooting Missouri teenager Michael Brown.
Protesters observed a minute's silence before marching down Oxford Street.
They were joined by Carole Duggan, whose nephew Mark was shot dead by a Met police officer in 2011.
She told the crowd "we know the pain of losing somebody at the hands of the police".
She told them they were sending a message to the family of Michael Brown.
"That is why we stand in solidarity with the community of Ferguson. I feel they are very strong and brave people."
She went on: "They've come to a point in Ferguson where there is no turning back.
"They have to carry on fighting. They have to see this through. We have to stand behind them because you know what happens there will eventually happen here."
Protesters observed a minute's silence before marching down Oxford Street.
They were joined by Carole Duggan, whose nephew Mark was shot dead by a Met police officer in 2011.
She told the crowd "we know the pain of losing somebody at the hands of the police".
She told them they were sending a message to the family of Michael Brown.
"That is why we stand in solidarity with the community of Ferguson. I feel they are very strong and brave people."
She went on: "They've come to a point in Ferguson where there is no turning back.
"They have to carry on fighting. They have to see this through. We have to stand behind them because you know what happens there will eventually happen here."
paranoid airbag said:
La Liga said:
hose 'not consenting' are a statistical minority given the population size of America. The mass majority who are, by omitting to riot and loot, consenting to the justice process.
Sunnis are a statistical minority in Iraq. Non-muslims in Egypt.Ask them how expecting minorities to be happy with the majority decision turns out. Generally, with ethnic cleansing.
Modern governments are usually capable of better.
It doesn't work when you cut it down a crude ethnic line and the parallels with Iraq and Egypt are invalid. The correlations are more probable to be inline with education / poverty.
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