No charges for Missouri cop who shot unarmed teenager
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Eclassy said:
Akai Gurley was shot for absolutely no reason walking down the stairs. He was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Oscar Grant was shot in the back whilst restrained face down by 2 officers on a train station platform. He was doing nothing wrong.
Amadou Diallo was shot 42 times standing in the doorway to his own apartment doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez were shot at 102 times by the police during the hunt for cop killer Chris Dorner. They were doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Aiyana Jones, 7 was killed in her own home. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Few examples out of hundreds possibly thousands of cases. In America, you dont have to be doing anything wrong to get shot by police.
Serious question here. I only quickly looked at one story. Amadous.Oscar Grant was shot in the back whilst restrained face down by 2 officers on a train station platform. He was doing nothing wrong.
Amadou Diallo was shot 42 times standing in the doorway to his own apartment doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez were shot at 102 times by the police during the hunt for cop killer Chris Dorner. They were doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Aiyana Jones, 7 was killed in her own home. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Few examples out of hundreds possibly thousands of cases. In America, you dont have to be doing anything wrong to get shot by police.
So, pretend you were a copper, you've seen a bloke that looks like a dangerous murderer/rapist, your in a country where gun crime (and dead police) happens.
You ask him to stop and he turn and runs. You chase and then he stops in a doorway, turns round and pulls something out from inside his coat, which when dark and with what you deal with could well be a gun.
What would you do? Wait to see if he shot you? Or eliminate the perceived threat?
Even the rules of self defence in England say force is justified if you have an honest belief that you are in danger. You might not actually be in danger but have an honest belief.
Should he have died, no. But again, a police man with a gun tells me to stop,I do. No ifs, no buts. Had he done that he would be alive.
Zoobeef said:
Should he have died, no. But again, a police man with a gun tells me to stop,I do. No ifs, no buts. Had he done that he would be alive.
You do not need to fabricate any stories to try to justify Amadou's murder. He was standing outside his home in a dangerous part of town and 4 men in plain clothes suddenly approached him. He ran up the stairs to his home to escape people he possibly believed were robbers. Phillipe Holland, a hard working African American man who worked 2 jobs whilst going to college was shot by undercover policemen while delivering pizza to a customer. It is a natural reaction to run when confronted aggressivelly by people not immediately identifiable as policemen which is what he did when 2 men in olain clothes approached him. Genuine and reasonable fear isnt reserved for police alone and running from plain clothes officers when in reasonbale fear for ones life shouldnt result in summary execution. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pizza-De...
How were the police in London able to apprehend Lee Rigbys killers with less than 4 shots fired? These were people posing a real threat with real weapons. Compare the professionalism of the Mets armed officers to those that confronted Tamir Rice or John Crawford. The police in Tamir's case drove right up to the boy leaving them with no option but to kill him once he made any sudden movements. The police in London, parked at a distance that gave them the opportunity to assess the situation.
The police are not perfect but the number of shots fired in these cases doesnt paint a picture of genuine fear, it shows a bunch of trigger happy cops who shoot first and ask questions later.
Sean Bell: 50 shots fired - no weapons found.
Timothy Russell and Mallisa Williams: 137 shots fired - no weapons found.
This isnt a war, why the need for so many shots?
Eclassy said:
You do not need to fabricate any stories to try to justify Amadou's murder. He was standing outside his home in a dangerous part of town and 4 men in plain clothes suddenly approached him. He ran up the stairs to his home to escape people he possibly believed were robbers.
Phillipe Holland, a hard working African American man who worked 2 jobs whilst going to college was shot by undercover policemen while delivering pizza to a customer. It is a natural reaction to run when confronted aggressivelly by people not immediately identifiable as policemen which is what he did when 2 men in olain clothes approached him. Genuine and reasonable fear isnt reserved for police alone and running from plain clothes officers when in reasonbale fear for ones life shouldnt result in summary execution. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pizza-De...
How were the police in London able to apprehend Lee Rigbys killers with less than 4 shots fired? These were people posing a real threat with real weapons. Compare the professionalism of the Mets armed officers to those that confronted Tamir Rice or John Crawford. The police in Tamir's case drove right up to the boy leaving them with no option but to kill him once he made any sudden movements. The police in London, parked at a distance that gave them the opportunity to assess the situation.
The police are not perfect but the number of shots fired in these cases doesnt paint a picture of genuine fear, it shows a bunch of trigger happy cops who shoot first and ask questions later.
Sean Bell: 50 shots fired - no weapons found.
Timothy Russell and Mallisa Williams: 137 shots fired - no weapons found.
This isnt a war, why the need for so many shots?
It's slightly ironic you state he was 'fabricating' stories, and then go on to provide your own stories which you are implying to be hard fact, when the actual fact is you weren't there and have no idea if what you said is true or not.Phillipe Holland, a hard working African American man who worked 2 jobs whilst going to college was shot by undercover policemen while delivering pizza to a customer. It is a natural reaction to run when confronted aggressivelly by people not immediately identifiable as policemen which is what he did when 2 men in olain clothes approached him. Genuine and reasonable fear isnt reserved for police alone and running from plain clothes officers when in reasonbale fear for ones life shouldnt result in summary execution. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pizza-De...
How were the police in London able to apprehend Lee Rigbys killers with less than 4 shots fired? These were people posing a real threat with real weapons. Compare the professionalism of the Mets armed officers to those that confronted Tamir Rice or John Crawford. The police in Tamir's case drove right up to the boy leaving them with no option but to kill him once he made any sudden movements. The police in London, parked at a distance that gave them the opportunity to assess the situation.
The police are not perfect but the number of shots fired in these cases doesnt paint a picture of genuine fear, it shows a bunch of trigger happy cops who shoot first and ask questions later.
Sean Bell: 50 shots fired - no weapons found.
Timothy Russell and Mallisa Williams: 137 shots fired - no weapons found.
This isnt a war, why the need for so many shots?
jimmyjimjim said:
He's probably referring to this:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/can-someone-be-too-sm...
Note that the accepted range for police officers still puts them into the above average IQ range, which rather deflates the argument.
Not really.http://www.mintpressnews.com/can-someone-be-too-sm...
Note that the accepted range for police officers still puts them into the above average IQ range, which rather deflates the argument.
IQ tests were indeed originally calibrated so that 100 was the average, but this included people who were unemployable and institutional. Also modern populations tend to get higher marks in IQ tests than previous generations. The people you actually meet in real life and who hold down jobs probably average more like 110 to 120. The average university graduate scores 120.
Tannedbaldhead said:
irocfan said:
yes - and no-one ever said the police are perfect, in many cases they are so far from perfect it's not even funny however they are still better than the alternative
They could work on being more perfect. British police are a very good example. Every shooting is investigated in minute detail to make sure firstly that the shooting was justified but also even if it was justified how could it be avoided in the future. Result carnage in the USA whilst UK deaths as a result of police action are very few and far between.
http://youtu.be/aEHVJCl1_2Y
"Dead Dead Michael Brown"
Nice song performed at a charity event hosted by a retired LAPD officer. It was performed by a former federal investigator. When asked why he performed such a song he replied "I thought the audience (mainly serving and retired officers) would like it.
I am not sure but it sounded like people were singing along towards the end. It didnt look like anyone was disturbed by it anyway.
"Dead Dead Michael Brown"
Nice song performed at a charity event hosted by a retired LAPD officer. It was performed by a former federal investigator. When asked why he performed such a song he replied "I thought the audience (mainly serving and retired officers) would like it.
I am not sure but it sounded like people were singing along towards the end. It didnt look like anyone was disturbed by it anyway.
http://youtu.be/dj4ARsxrZh8
Significantly more offensive (and horrifyingly prophetic), I think you'll find.
Significantly more offensive (and horrifyingly prophetic), I think you'll find.
and yet another black kid is shot dead, just because he pointed a gun at police
http://news.sky.com/story/1397150/black-teen-shot-...
2013BRM said:
and yet another black kid is shot dead, just because he pointed a gun at police
http://news.sky.com/story/1397150/black-teen-shot-...
Darwin strikes again.http://news.sky.com/story/1397150/black-teen-shot-...
But from the residents it appears that now being Black allows you to pull a gun and not get shot!! Wouldn't it be a Christmas miracle is All Sharpton and Jesse Jackson came out and thank the officers for risking their lives and taking down an armed criminal.
More chance of finding Three Wise men and virgin in a stable than that happening.
More chance of finding Three Wise men and virgin in a stable than that happening.
I think the whole right to bare (is that the right bare?) arms thing is a load of cobbles and just means you are more likely to get shot, but that is the law there and up to them. Even so, everyone knows American Police carry guns and are a bit trigger happy, so if you are going to rob someone in the US and carry a gun which you then point at a policeman, there is a pretty good chance that what ever the colour of your skin you are going to get pumped full of lead.
Not sure it's a race issue and it's probably a good thing for the race involved that the police are taking so many stupid people out of that particular gene pool.
Not sure it's a race issue and it's probably a good thing for the race involved that the police are taking so many stupid people out of that particular gene pool.
Elroy Blue said:
I've just watched the latest BBC news report on the latest shooting. A quite shameful, openly biased piece of gutter journalism. Those that call themselves 'reporters', who produce this crap need to take a good, long look at themselves.
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