12-year-old playing with fake gun shot dead by Ohio police.
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Matt Harper said:
Except that he brandished the weapon, which is why the police acted as they did. "Thug-Life" has a lot to answer for.
article said:
A member of the public had phoned police saying people in the playground were scared by someone brandishing what looked like a gun.
If that's the brandishing you're referring to, it sounds like that was prior to the police arrival. nitrodave said:
I wish I could say this surprises me but it doesn't.
The amount of videos on tubeface with aggressive coppers treating anyone and everyone as wanted criminals is ridiculous.
They have mega problems there because of guns and what mystifies me is why they're so readily available and legal to own.
One failed shoe bomb attempt and the whole world has to take their shoes off at an airport. Meanwhile over 30 fatal shootings at schools in recent years and still no change to their gun laws.
Idiots.
And the rest...Since Sandy Hook (the big one that got the most attention at the end of 2012) there have been over 70 school shooting incidents with over 50 killed and many more injured. The amount of videos on tubeface with aggressive coppers treating anyone and everyone as wanted criminals is ridiculous.
They have mega problems there because of guns and what mystifies me is why they're so readily available and legal to own.
One failed shoe bomb attempt and the whole world has to take their shoes off at an airport. Meanwhile over 30 fatal shootings at schools in recent years and still no change to their gun laws.
Idiots.
onyx39 said:
As I have said on Facebook, the only person with whom I have any sympathy, is the officer.
He had a gun pulled on him, and rightly or wrongly, he fired. A decision with which he will have to live for the rest of his life.
All because a 12 year old kid did not do as he was told.
Why did the officer decide the only course of action was to shoot to kill? First shot over his head or into the ground ? Second shot in a leg or shoulder? Nope shoot to kill before you get shot seems the only option. He had a gun pulled on him, and rightly or wrongly, he fired. A decision with which he will have to live for the rest of his life.
All because a 12 year old kid did not do as he was told.
BoRED S2upid said:
onyx39 said:
As I have said on Facebook, the only person with whom I have any sympathy, is the officer.
He had a gun pulled on him, and rightly or wrongly, he fired. A decision with which he will have to live for the rest of his life.
All because a 12 year old kid did not do as he was told.
Why did the officer decide the only course of action was to shoot to kill? First shot over his head or into the ground ? Second shot in a leg or shoulder? Nope shoot to kill before you get shot seems the only option. He had a gun pulled on him, and rightly or wrongly, he fired. A decision with which he will have to live for the rest of his life.
All because a 12 year old kid did not do as he was told.
To be honest I'm feeling a lot of sympathy for both sides in the Tamir Rice incident. If the police had approached him and it had been a real gun lots of people could have been hurt, they treated it as if it were a real gun and there's a tragedy - for the cops it was a lose/lose situation. The parents have lost a child
The issue is why would someone wave the gun at the police?! Unfortunately I think that is the bottom line.
If told by the police to stand stock still you can bet your life (sorry, bad choice of phrase perhaps but wholly accurate in the USA I would suggest) that I would do so. You do exactly what you are told when three people are pointing guns at you?!!?
If told by the police to stand stock still you can bet your life (sorry, bad choice of phrase perhaps but wholly accurate in the USA I would suggest) that I would do so. You do exactly what you are told when three people are pointing guns at you?!!?
Chris Type R said:
If that's the brandishing you're referring to, it sounds like that was prior to the police arrival.
No - it was this bit - "When he allegedly took the replica gun from his waistband" - although this was reported a little differently in the local (US) press, some of which suggest that he not only took the replica gun from his waistband, but then pointed it at one of the cops.... That'll do it every time.FourWheelDrift said:
Randomthoughts said:
MajorProblem said:
k all obvious to me that that's fake.I'd still expect them to shoot if it had an orange tip tbh. If I bought an AR15 and painted the tip orange should I expect the police to say it's ok its not real...
Matt Harper said:
No - it was this bit - "When he allegedly took the replica gun from his waistband" - although this was reported a little differently in the local (US) press, some of which suggest that he not only took the replica gun from his waistband, but then pointed it at one of the cops.... That'll do it every time.
usatoday said:
Here's the audio from the report, the caller doesn't sound too concerned - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/...
Tomba said one officer fired twice after the boy pulled the fake weapon from his waistband but had not pointed it at police. The boy did not make any verbal threats, but he grabbed the replica handgun after being told to raise his hands, Tomba said.
Pretty unfortunate incident for all concerned.Tomba said one officer fired twice after the boy pulled the fake weapon from his waistband but had not pointed it at police. The boy did not make any verbal threats, but he grabbed the replica handgun after being told to raise his hands, Tomba said.
BoRED S2upid said:
onyx39 said:
As I have said on Facebook, the only person with whom I have any sympathy, is the officer.
He had a gun pulled on him, and rightly or wrongly, he fired. A decision with which he will have to live for the rest of his life.
All because a 12 year old kid did not do as he was told.
Why did the officer decide the only course of action was to shoot to kill? First shot over his head or into the ground ? Second shot in a leg or shoulder? Nope shoot to kill before you get shot seems the only option. He had a gun pulled on him, and rightly or wrongly, he fired. A decision with which he will have to live for the rest of his life.
All because a 12 year old kid did not do as he was told.
He subsequently died from his wounds.
Obviously not a head shot then.
I had toy guns, and even had the odd real one when younger. But if I ever had a gun (toy or real) in the street for whatever reason and the police turned up and told me to put my hands up, I'd have put my hands up. I would not have reached for the weapon (or toy). I'd not wave it about, I'd not say "don't worry it's a toy whilst reaching for it. I'd put my hands up. And do whatever else they told me.
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