Cars you like even though no one else does...
Discussion
RobM77 said:
Z4 Coupé: Again, BMW sold very few of these, but I preferred them to the competition (in fact I bought one). A slight lag on the throttle and an overly nervous ride were the only downsides to a superb car and one of the few sports cars / small coupés with a decent boot too.
Small engined BMWs: You get exactly the same handling as the bigger engined ones, but without the power. In fact, you could argue that you get less weight with a smaller engine and therefore better turn in, and I would definitely argue that the smaller wheels and tyres often specced with more humble models make the whole car drive so much better than the massive wheels and tyres often specced with the headline models. If you're not in a position to use the power of a bigger engined one (i.e. most B and C roads), then I don't see the point of it - you come out of the average bend at 45mph and if the limit is 50 or even 60, what's the point in all that power? I drove a 116d M Sport last year and thought it was brilliant; extremely slow, but the handling was utterly delightful. I'd like to think I have a right to this opinion, having owned a 325i, 328i, 330i and Z4 Coupé 3.0si and driven the last two generations of M3 a fair bit; it's not like I can't afford the bigger engined cars or don't like them, I just think that the more humble models are just as good in every single respect, if not better, it's just that they lack the power, and that really is all.
Small engined Caterhams: see above.
Is there a BMW on the planet you dont like though lol? Going by your logic every base model car is as good as the sportier ones then. Ie 1.2 clio MK3 is as good as a Clio sport MK3 in every single respect?Small engined BMWs: You get exactly the same handling as the bigger engined ones, but without the power. In fact, you could argue that you get less weight with a smaller engine and therefore better turn in, and I would definitely argue that the smaller wheels and tyres often specced with more humble models make the whole car drive so much better than the massive wheels and tyres often specced with the headline models. If you're not in a position to use the power of a bigger engined one (i.e. most B and C roads), then I don't see the point of it - you come out of the average bend at 45mph and if the limit is 50 or even 60, what's the point in all that power? I drove a 116d M Sport last year and thought it was brilliant; extremely slow, but the handling was utterly delightful. I'd like to think I have a right to this opinion, having owned a 325i, 328i, 330i and Z4 Coupé 3.0si and driven the last two generations of M3 a fair bit; it's not like I can't afford the bigger engined cars or don't like them, I just think that the more humble models are just as good in every single respect, if not better, it's just that they lack the power, and that really is all.
Small engined Caterhams: see above.
Guessing prety much everyone likes caterhams.
torres del paine said:
E92 M3s in white with gunmetal/black wheels.
I think they look great.
I must admit I prefer the standard 19`s on a white E92 M3 but it`s a funny car because I ended up hating mine yet pretty much everyone else on here said that they are the best car in the world bar none whenever I criticised it! but I could never see what all the fuss was about.I think they look great.
I do like the E36/E46 a lot though.
XJ84 said:
Loving some of these replies. Though I think many of them are actually decent cars with an undeserved poor reputation.
I have an unhealthy fetish for old 'crap' BL stuff too. I'm gonna spend the rest of the day daydreaming about just how awesome a turbocharged Austin Allegro would be, preferably in hearing-aid beige with a bit of rust and standard steel wheels. Thanks for that...
Do it!I have an unhealthy fetish for old 'crap' BL stuff too. I'm gonna spend the rest of the day daydreaming about just how awesome a turbocharged Austin Allegro would be, preferably in hearing-aid beige with a bit of rust and standard steel wheels. Thanks for that...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1980-AUSTIN-ALLEGRO-L-BR...
I'll just add the love for the ZT260 and add just about damn near anything Rover from '88 onwards (barring the City Rover - Kill it! Kill it with Rust! and the 1.4 25, even my father thought it was dangerously underpowered), I know, I'm sick and I don't think there's a cure. My father had a 213 and it was a pretty damned solid motor all said and done, palmed it off to a local farmers son that used it to hoon around the farm after it caught terminal rust.
thiscocks said:
RobM77 said:
Z4 Coupé: Again, BMW sold very few of these, but I preferred them to the competition (in fact I bought one). A slight lag on the throttle and an overly nervous ride were the only downsides to a superb car and one of the few sports cars / small coupés with a decent boot too.
Small engined BMWs: You get exactly the same handling as the bigger engined ones, but without the power. In fact, you could argue that you get less weight with a smaller engine and therefore better turn in, and I would definitely argue that the smaller wheels and tyres often specced with more humble models make the whole car drive so much better than the massive wheels and tyres often specced with the headline models. If you're not in a position to use the power of a bigger engined one (i.e. most B and C roads), then I don't see the point of it - you come out of the average bend at 45mph and if the limit is 50 or even 60, what's the point in all that power? I drove a 116d M Sport last year and thought it was brilliant; extremely slow, but the handling was utterly delightful. I'd like to think I have a right to this opinion, having owned a 325i, 328i, 330i and Z4 Coupé 3.0si and driven the last two generations of M3 a fair bit; it's not like I can't afford the bigger engined cars or don't like them, I just think that the more humble models are just as good in every single respect, if not better, it's just that they lack the power, and that really is all.
Small engined Caterhams: see above.
Is there a BMW on the planet you dont like though lol? Small engined BMWs: You get exactly the same handling as the bigger engined ones, but without the power. In fact, you could argue that you get less weight with a smaller engine and therefore better turn in, and I would definitely argue that the smaller wheels and tyres often specced with more humble models make the whole car drive so much better than the massive wheels and tyres often specced with the headline models. If you're not in a position to use the power of a bigger engined one (i.e. most B and C roads), then I don't see the point of it - you come out of the average bend at 45mph and if the limit is 50 or even 60, what's the point in all that power? I drove a 116d M Sport last year and thought it was brilliant; extremely slow, but the handling was utterly delightful. I'd like to think I have a right to this opinion, having owned a 325i, 328i, 330i and Z4 Coupé 3.0si and driven the last two generations of M3 a fair bit; it's not like I can't afford the bigger engined cars or don't like them, I just think that the more humble models are just as good in every single respect, if not better, it's just that they lack the power, and that really is all.
Small engined Caterhams: see above.
Yes, loads. I'm not a fan of most of the petrol ones made since 2000, due to throttle lag, which on some can be very bad, especially on the early E46 330ci (2000-2002; I owned a 2000 model and it was dreadful), and lately the ones I've tried and not liked have been the 645i, 135i and the 335i. Also, many of the M Sport cars of the previous generation (E90) and earlier could have a very unsettled and overly harsh ride too. I'm also not a fan of the X3, X5 and X6, although I fully realise it's just that sort of car I don't like, rather than those being poor examples of the genre.thiscocks said:
Going by your logic every base model car is as good as the sportier ones then. Ie 1.2 clio MK3 is as good as a Clio sport MK3 in every single respect?
No, because those two Clios have completely different suspension setups so they're going to drive completely differently. Plus I didn't say 'in every single respect', because obviously a 335i is faster than a 318d in a straight line, so they're different on that count. My point is that a 130i has identical suspension to a 116d or a 120i etc and therefore identical handling, although the 116d engine weighs less than the 130i engine so actually it should handle a little better, plus the difference in wheel and tyre sizes on typical secondhand models that I mentioned. All I'm trying to say is that the 116d does not deserve the ribbing it gets on PH if the same people aren't putting down the 130i (in fact quite the opposite - the 130i is a bit of a PH hero) - it's the same bloody car!
cerb4.5lee said:
Ranger 6 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
BMW X6, there seems loads of hate for these and I have always liked them...
You want to try owning an X3 after Clarkson's rant on TG all those years ago, the way that 'hate' still tarnishes it is staggering.....
I'm on my second and am looking now at a second generation version for my next car. It has a great blend of on-road ability with enough off-road ability for my needs combined with a hint of grunt. I'm one of those that does 'need' a 4x4 occasionally and an estate wouldn't be able to cope otherwise I'd be one of the sheep and have a 535d Touring
The latest one looks a great package too.
mine's only a 3.0d but I have a 35d as a target Daihatsu Charade. The mid 2000's one with the little 3 cylinder engine. Tiny zero sporting pretensions yet somehow had a bit of character.
VW Bora(Jetta) V5. It was basically a VR6 with a cylinder removed. A wonderfully off beat and quirky engine offered alongside the soul sapping dreariness that was the VAG 1.8T(Golf 4 GTi, Audi A4, etc) of the time.
VW Bora(Jetta) V5. It was basically a VR6 with a cylinder removed. A wonderfully off beat and quirky engine offered alongside the soul sapping dreariness that was the VAG 1.8T(Golf 4 GTi, Audi A4, etc) of the time.
Debaser said:
E30 BMW 3 series.
errr sorry? The most revered 3 series, almost universally praised and generally considered iconic? You mean that one which no one else likes?
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Edited by billywhizzzzzz on Wednesday 26th November 20:51
Symbolica said:
This generation S4 with the 4.2 V8. They had really indifferent reviews, I just think it's a really smart looking car, plus it has a big V8.
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