Too much cam noise?

Too much cam noise?

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Luckyone

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1,056 posts

232 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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Its done about 400 miles since finishing the rebuild & is running very well, lovely to drive, but I can't remember how noisy the engine used to be as it's a good few years ago when it was last running. So I'm nursing it round at under 4k revs.

I had the problem with the valve getting stuck in the new guide so had to pull the engine back out, it's now got all new valves, exhaust guides & one new bucket. Obviously it should really have had a new cam & a new set of buckets but the machine shop weren't going to stretch to that, it was the best part of 1Ks worth of parts they gave me to rebuild it with as it was.

I set the clearances at 10 & 12 thou, they had ended up much closer than that (some at 0 hence the new valves) before the rebuild, so it stands to reason it will be noisier now. Just I'm not sure how noisy it should be.

I should really take the valve covers off & have a look but I just haven't got the time. So was hoping someone could listen to it & see if you think the noise warrants finding some time.

Rubish vid here

(The oil temp won't seem to go much above 50 this time of year) At the end of the vid I get in & shut the door, it's very quite then.


jamieduff1981

8,024 posts

140 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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That sounds very noisy compared to my 4.5.

I'm not sure if I've ever heard an early clatter cam engine which mine obviously isn't and I don't know whether yours is, but yours does sound noisy compared to every other Cerb I've heard - stone cold start aside maybe but that's more piston slap noise which quietens fairly quickly.

ETA: I see it's a 4.5 also so it shouldn't be that noisy IMO.

Edited by jamieduff1981 on Tuesday 2nd December 19:52

scerbera

102 posts

114 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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something's not right there.

Gray_101

1,118 posts

190 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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Here's a link to my old 4.2 fitted with clatter cams http://youtu.be/arq4FBP9AXQ

The tappet clearances were set the same as yours

Why don't you take your car to a TVR Indy for an expert opinion now its up and running.

Edited by Gray_101 on Tuesday 2nd December 21:06

waveydavey1000

148 posts

118 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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I,ve got a 4.2 with 34k on had the tappets done about 1k ago. It sounds a little more tappety than mine but its difficult to tell when other alarms are going off and youre revving it!

Can you post another video running from stone cold and just idling?

Cerberaherts

1,651 posts

141 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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....does sound loud!!

waveydavey1000

148 posts

118 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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My mistake...just watched the right video. I can hear a knock around the 55 second mark and it continues untill you get in the car. Doesn't sound like cams to me

ridds

8,215 posts

244 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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Certainly not right.

Get the covers off before you run it anymore.

Luckyone

Original Poster:

1,056 posts

232 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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Thanks for listening eveyone, yes I keep waiting for the noise to go away as it warms up but that just isn't happening.

The rubbish phone mic isn't helping how it sounds, it looses a lot of the bass of the exhaust that masks the noise when your next to it, but I was thinking even so it sounds a bit too noisy.

Typically out of the 7 cars that are here the Cerb is the only one I can legally drive on the road at the mo. Lucky I don't actually have to drive it anywhere, I just need an emergency car here as I'm looking after the kids now (between messing about with all the other cars!)

My better half is getting a 640d very soon so that will free up her old 530i for me, then I'll have a poke at the Cerb.

camel_landy

4,886 posts

183 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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ridds said:
Certainly not right.

Get the covers off before you run it anymore.
^^^ This...

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mangante49

56 posts

131 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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I have to say I'm no expert but that's noisy!

NilsP

389 posts

117 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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Couldn't it be something simple as an exhaust leak?
Could sometimes sound like a tick.
Had it on mine, turned out i forgot to tighten the decat pipe rolleyes

Jubag

113 posts

116 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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Listening to your video, I would suggest not running that until you have opened it up for a look inside. Very noisy in my opinion. I have a video of my engine on the tube so you might be able to compare. I don't know much about my car as I'm learning as I go, but it's a 4.2 1997, don't know what cam it has, it clatters but it's more like they are all clattering evenly, yours sounds like its not all the lifters if you see what I mean, it's not frequent enough to be all of them.

Go to the end of the clip to hear... http://youtu.be/-dM0getVauM

Luckyone

Original Poster:

1,056 posts

232 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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Jubag said:
yours sounds like its not all the lifters if you see what I mean, it's not frequent enough to be all of them.
Yes I was thinking that my self, investigation is definitely required then. I can see more big bills coming....

Jhonno

5,765 posts

141 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Yeah, sorry I have to agree.. Something is not right there! That sounds nothing like my clatter cam.

I would not run that any more before a thorough investigation..

Luckyone

Original Poster:

1,056 posts

232 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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Yeah, the cam has had it:











At least a new cam & followers aren't too hard to fit....

ukkid35

6,171 posts

173 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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Andy, do you have any idea when the cams were damaged? It would be really sad to dump another grand in to it unless there's a fighting chance that it won't recur.

ridds

8,215 posts

244 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Where are those cams from?

spitfire4v8

3,991 posts

181 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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You say you've done 400 miles since rebuild, presumably the cam wasn't like that already then. SO, the follower has marked up and the cam is wearing after 400 miles. Did you flood the top end with oil before starting? The ajp is normally very kind on its cams because the followers sit in an oil bath so never run dry on that all important startup period.
Is the follower that's marked up the one you changed by any chance? I saw an engine that had not long had a rebuild, was in for valve check and mapping and two followers were already scored and one was taking the cam lobe with it.

Jhonno

5,765 posts

141 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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What Paul and Joolz said!

Need to know why before chucking new bits at it! Would hate for a repeat!!