S2000 racers - MSA compliant cage and hardtop

[Tanuki]

Does anyone on here race or track an S2000 and can tell me what are the options in terms of MSA-compliant cages which are usable with some form of hardtop (be it factory or single-skinnned).

Thanks in advance folks.

[spikey78]

I don't know much about the S2000 specifically, but I know a bloke who will build you a cage specifically for your car with hardtop fitted. His workmanship is top notch, prices very reasonable (and it will be to MSA spec if you want it to be, as seems sensible)
He's based in Bracknell, Berks..

[Henry Fiddleton]

Hi,

With Mx5s you can not get a safe roll cage AND hardtop to fit.

Its due to sitting close to the roof, and cage obviously needs to clear your head.

However, I know MGF race cars run the hard top, as do Boxsters.

Provided the hardtop is securely bolted in place, and your have room, a cage + hardtop is doable/MSA Legal.

[andy97]

There were a couple of Honda S2000 racers out in CSCC Modern Classics irregularly over the last 2 years and they both ran with hard tops in place.

Have a look at this years race results on TSL for names. I think at least one raced in the Donington round. It might then be worth sending an email to the CSCC office asking them to forward your enquiry to the relevant person.

[djroadboy]

Henry Fiddleton said:

Hi,

With Mx5s you can not get a safe roll cage AND hardtop to fit.

Sorry, but that's nonsense!

I know of two "safe" full weld in cages used in national club racing in Mx5s with hardtops fitted. One was built by AAS in Newcastle and the other was built by Andy Robinson (who would be my preferred choice).

Andy, I would speak to Andy Robinson about building something as I don't think there are any "off the shelf" offerings.

HTH

Dan

[bozla]

I know Alec at Prize motorsport did an S2000 a while back. Not sure if it had the hardtop though.

[Graham]

djroadboy said:

Henry Fiddleton said:

Hi,

With Mx5s you can not get a safe roll cage AND hardtop to fit.

Sorry, but that's nonsense!

I know of two "safe" full weld in cages used in national club racing in Mx5s with hardtops fitted. One was built by AAS in Newcastle and the other was built by Andy Robinson (who would be my preferred choice).

Andy, I would speak to Andy Robinson about building something as I don't think there are any "off the shelf" offerings.

HTH

Dan

it depends if you can get the driver in the car with 50mm between the top of the helmet and the top of the cage and get the cage under the stock hard top, for it to be legal..

on an open top car its very easy to see if the driver is too high / cage too low, on an enclosed car nobody can see. just about every hardtop car / and a fair few tin tops I've been in my head touches the roof,heck i've even raced one car where i had to tilt my head. technically not legal and not good if you roll it. Id say probably 50% of enclosed cars once the driver is in there isnt enough space between helmet and cage!!!!

So if you can do it properly depends on your height, the seat you use and how low you can get the seat. I can 100% guarantee you can get a msa correct cage under an s2000 hardtop. if its still legal when you get in it that depends on your height...


if you need to get as low as possible kirkey and tillet seats can often give you the extra inch or so. In my tuscan I use a aluminium kirkey seat the seat rails are welded into the car in such a position and the kirkey mounted directly to them so that my arse is actually lower than the top of the chassis tubes !!! it helps that the seat base is only a few mm thick... some seats can raise you 2-3 inches once they are in the car..

[Tanuki]

Thanks for the responses all.

Andy - I shall stalk the guys running S2000's in CSCC at lunchtime

Typically the one supplier who seem to do an of-the-rack S2000 cage have so far failed to call me back so I can obtain dimensions.

[spyderman8]

If it's any help, the Boxster cages are made by Custom Cages.

Chris.

[djroadboy]

spyderman8 said:

If it's any help, the Boxster cages are made by Custom Cages.

Chris.

I'd rather eat my own testicles than deal with CC again.

Dan

[rallycross]

spikey78 said:

I don't know much about the S2000 specifically, but I know a bloke who will build you a cage specifically for your car with hardtop fitted. His workmanship is top notch, prices very reasonable (and it will be to MSA spec if you want it to be, as seems sensible)
He's based in Bracknell, Berks..

Hi that could be usefull can you send me his details as not too far from Bracknell, thanks.

[spikey78]

http://www.tylahmotorsport.co.uk/ or https://www.facebook.com/TylahMotorsport?fref=ts
Mobile number 07846 446373, ask for Dean

Edited by spikey78 on Tuesday 9th December 13:23

[MB 1]

I use a Custom Cages one in mine.

Came in kit form but needed a far bit of work to get it to fit. Andy at Veysport built my car.

Edited by MB 1 on Saturday 27th December 07:48

[Tanuki]

Interesting - Thanks

Am I correct in thinking that looks like a factory top?

If so, is it modified at all to get over the Custom Cages kit?

[Tanuki]

Interesting - Thanks

Am I correct in thinking that looks like a factory top?

If so, is it modified at all to get over the Custom Cages kit?

[MB 1]

Yep OEM top. Only mods are that all the liner is gutted, but you'd want to do that anyway for weight.

[Tanuki]

That's exactly what I'd figured.

Thanks again - that's really useful.

[MB 1]

No probs.

What are you planning to race in? I've had mine in VTEC Challenge which looks like it's going to be better grid turnout this year. Also planning on CSCC but dind't make any rounds last year

[Tanuki]

Would most likely be CSCC New Mill or 750MC Roadsports.

I already run an S2 Elise in FIA Lotus Cup Europe and will be running an S1 in CSCC Modern Classics - so something that doesn't clash and works well around those two.

I have the car and resources - I just need the time now and to tick off the research about the vehicle specific stuff (hence cage / roof question).