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t day for Scotty though, gutted for him. Looking forward to the final race tomorrow. And then there is this display of... something... from the V8 utes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQAXi7lbRZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQAXi7lbRZ4
Just watched a post race-weekend panel show here in oz where the 3 races were dissected.
The in-pit coverage of the Polestar racing pit exposed some chasms in the team management. The race strategist appears to be a young lad who simply hasn't watched enough Motorsport and does not have a good enough understanding of the rules he is subject to, given the calls he is asked to make.
He originally made the call to serve the 10 second stop/go penalty for the jump start as soon as it was given. The team manager gave it no thought before simply agreeing. Someone then correctly pointed out that on lap 2 of the race, 10 seconds plus the in/out time represents a massive loss of track position. Team manager then agreed and over ruled the strategist with what should have been an obvious call in the first place. However, the young lad then hypothesises that perhaps they should serve it under the safety car. If you had paid even passing attention to the series or most other series in the last 10 years since the safety car became a regular fixture, you would know it's very unlikely the rules will permit a penalty to be served under SC conditions. Again, it was agreed to with little in the way of critical thought. Unsurprisingly, they were then given a further 10 second penalty as a result.
Sure, that doesn't explain the hose failure that put him in the wall in race 1. But the sport is at far too high a level now for that kind of margin for error. He needs to have a close look at this. He is a rising star and should not be hobbled early I his career by what commentators call bad luck, which in fact a poor support infrastructure. I like him in the Volvo, it carries on a fine tradition of Kiwis in Swedish cars. But the sooner he gets into a team with less slack in the rope, the better.
The in-pit coverage of the Polestar racing pit exposed some chasms in the team management. The race strategist appears to be a young lad who simply hasn't watched enough Motorsport and does not have a good enough understanding of the rules he is subject to, given the calls he is asked to make.
He originally made the call to serve the 10 second stop/go penalty for the jump start as soon as it was given. The team manager gave it no thought before simply agreeing. Someone then correctly pointed out that on lap 2 of the race, 10 seconds plus the in/out time represents a massive loss of track position. Team manager then agreed and over ruled the strategist with what should have been an obvious call in the first place. However, the young lad then hypothesises that perhaps they should serve it under the safety car. If you had paid even passing attention to the series or most other series in the last 10 years since the safety car became a regular fixture, you would know it's very unlikely the rules will permit a penalty to be served under SC conditions. Again, it was agreed to with little in the way of critical thought. Unsurprisingly, they were then given a further 10 second penalty as a result.
Sure, that doesn't explain the hose failure that put him in the wall in race 1. But the sport is at far too high a level now for that kind of margin for error. He needs to have a close look at this. He is a rising star and should not be hobbled early I his career by what commentators call bad luck, which in fact a poor support infrastructure. I like him in the Volvo, it carries on a fine tradition of Kiwis in Swedish cars. But the sooner he gets into a team with less slack in the rope, the better.
Reardy Mister said:
Just watched a post race-weekend panel show here in oz where the 3 races were dissected.
The in-pit coverage of the Polestar racing pit exposed some chasms in the team management. The race strategist appears to be a young lad who simply hasn't watched enough Motorsport and does not have a good enough understanding of the rules he is subject to, given the calls he is asked to make.
He originally made the call to serve the 10 second stop/go penalty for the jump start as soon as it was given. The team manager gave it no thought before simply agreeing. Someone then correctly pointed out that on lap 2 of the race, 10 seconds plus the in/out time represents a massive loss of track position. Team manager then agreed and over ruled the strategist with what should have been an obvious call in the first place. However, the young lad then hypothesises that perhaps they should serve it under the safety car. If you had paid even passing attention to the series or most other series in the last 10 years since the safety car became a regular fixture, you would know it's very unlikely the rules will permit a penalty to be served under SC conditions. Again, it was agreed to with little in the way of critical thought. Unsurprisingly, they were then given a further 10 second penalty as a result.
Sure, that doesn't explain the hose failure that put him in the wall in race 1. But the sport is at far too high a level now for that kind of margin for error. He needs to have a close look at this. He is a rising star and should not be hobbled early I his career by what commentators call bad luck, which in fact a poor support infrastructure. I like him in the Volvo, it carries on a fine tradition of Kiwis in Swedish cars. But the sooner he gets into a team with less slack in the rope, the better.
Can't disagree with any of that - he's a fantastic driver and the bad 'luck' really doesn't do him justice. The in-pit coverage of the Polestar racing pit exposed some chasms in the team management. The race strategist appears to be a young lad who simply hasn't watched enough Motorsport and does not have a good enough understanding of the rules he is subject to, given the calls he is asked to make.
He originally made the call to serve the 10 second stop/go penalty for the jump start as soon as it was given. The team manager gave it no thought before simply agreeing. Someone then correctly pointed out that on lap 2 of the race, 10 seconds plus the in/out time represents a massive loss of track position. Team manager then agreed and over ruled the strategist with what should have been an obvious call in the first place. However, the young lad then hypothesises that perhaps they should serve it under the safety car. If you had paid even passing attention to the series or most other series in the last 10 years since the safety car became a regular fixture, you would know it's very unlikely the rules will permit a penalty to be served under SC conditions. Again, it was agreed to with little in the way of critical thought. Unsurprisingly, they were then given a further 10 second penalty as a result.
Sure, that doesn't explain the hose failure that put him in the wall in race 1. But the sport is at far too high a level now for that kind of margin for error. He needs to have a close look at this. He is a rising star and should not be hobbled early I his career by what commentators call bad luck, which in fact a poor support infrastructure. I like him in the Volvo, it carries on a fine tradition of Kiwis in Swedish cars. But the sooner he gets into a team with less slack in the rope, the better.
Reardy Mister said:
However, the young lad then hypothesises that perhaps they should serve it under the safety car. If you had paid even passing attention to the series or most other series in the last 10 years since the safety car became a regular fixture, you would know it's very unlikely the rules will permit a penalty to be served under SC conditions. Again, it was agreed to with little in the way of critical thought. Unsurprisingly, they were then given a further 10 second penalty as a result.
Not quite that simple by the sounds of it, as easy as it is to patronisingly assign blame to a young team member - according to GR the team were instructed by race control to take the penalty in the pit stop, they even sent an official to time the penalty. And then changed their minds later.http://www.grmotorsport.com.au/grm-Clipsal_500_Sat...
Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 4th March 00:19
GravelBen said:
Reardy Mister said:
However, the young lad then hypothesises that perhaps they should serve it under the safety car. If you had paid even passing attention to the series or most other series in the last 10 years since the safety car became a regular fixture, you would know it's very unlikely the rules will permit a penalty to be served under SC conditions. Again, it was agreed to with little in the way of critical thought. Unsurprisingly, they were then given a further 10 second penalty as a result.
Not quite that simple by the sounds of it, as easy as it is to patronisingly assign blame to a young team member - according to GR the team were instructed by race control to take the penalty in the pit stop, they even sent an official to time the penalty. And then changed their minds later.http://www.grmotorsport.com.au/grm-Clipsal_500_Sat...
Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 4th March 00:19
I know what its like in that environment and everyone is doing their best with what they know at the time etc. I'm just saying I don't think its good enough at this level and I don't think Scott should put up with it for very long before he shapes them up himself or looks for a higher quality outfit.
Here is the excerpt from the actual show, I'll let you guys draw your own conclusions because I'm basing all my thoughts on this piece.
Edited by Reardy Mister on Wednesday 4th March 00:45
Reardy Mister said:
Its understandable that there would be an official on site with a stop watch, so that when the penalty is taken he can time it. But I think the team is trying to call that "an instruction" from the officials to stop under the SC, which is a bit far fetched.
Garry Rogers said:
Race control disagreed and gave him a 10 second penalty to be served at our pit stop. They broadcast this decision over race control and sent the official from V8 Supercars to our pit to time the 10 second penalty.
This was confusing as we are all aware that any penalties cannot be carried out during a safety car period, but as we had been instructed by race control and the official was at our bay with his stop watch we carried out our scheduled pit stop and then at the officials instruction we carried out the 10 second penalty with him timing this penalty.
The team seems to think there was a clear instruction, not just an official turning up to time it at their convenience. There should be some record of race control decisions to confirm it either way?This was confusing as we are all aware that any penalties cannot be carried out during a safety car period, but as we had been instructed by race control and the official was at our bay with his stop watch we carried out our scheduled pit stop and then at the officials instruction we carried out the 10 second penalty with him timing this penalty.
I'll watch the clip later on when I'm not pretending to work.
This is why I always have a set of the sporting and technical regs priented out and on my iPad when we are racing in the Qatar supersport bike championship and when we do Creventic run 24hr events. The fact that I read the regs before the event means that pretty much know what we have to do if we get penalised.
A poor show from GRM given their history.
A poor show from GRM given their history.
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