Raw food diet - Cat
Discussion
trails said:
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Stools are different too; far less toxic in my experience...logical if better quality stuff is going in the front end I guess.
Yes, less waste, less smell, same as with dogs. Stools are different too; far less toxic in my experience...logical if better quality stuff is going in the front end I guess.
Realistically, the difference is staggering, and I would urge any cat or dog owner to feed raw if they can.
Jasandjules said:
It depends on which vet. There are those who support raw feeding (ones I would say who are in it for the welfare of the animals) and those who say it is baaaad.. Same as raw meat and bones for dogs.
But I don't need the evidence of any vet to know anything about health - vets don't get as much nutritional training as I've had.... Not to mention simple intelligence would suggest natural food is better than processed food.
Some vets who think raw feeding is bad ARE in it for the welfare of animals. My sister is a vet, and has first hand experience of this. In her opinion, feeding raw causes more issues than it solves due to the number of pets she has treated who suffer from conditions caused by poor nutrition due to poor quality raw diets lacking in essential nutrients.But I don't need the evidence of any vet to know anything about health - vets don't get as much nutritional training as I've had.... Not to mention simple intelligence would suggest natural food is better than processed food.
You say natural food is better than processed, but only if your natural diet contains all the nutrients you need. You may have had nutritional training, but the majority of pet owners don't - and in many cases they're better off leaving it to the pet food industry.
ehasler said:
ome vets who think raw feeding is bad ARE in it for the welfare of animals. My sister is a vet, and has first hand experience of this. In her opinion, feeding raw causes more issues than it solves due to the number of pets she has treated who suffer from conditions caused by poor nutrition due to poor quality raw diets lacking in essential nutrients.
Can you give numbers? And a location where she is? I can then ask around in that area for people to confirm this, because the many thousands of people in groups I participate in hear little but good things. I will say a few have had dogs choke on bones that they eat too quickly. What exactly are these essential nutrients which are missing? (I have in mind what you will say and I will be able to direct you to evidence quickly enough).
I rather suspect that far more animals are treated for illnesses caused by the s***e food they are fed.
Does your sister vaccinate? Annually?
Hilts said:
So you're saying that 'cat food' is more likely to cause health problems?
I am sure. One of our cats almost died because we kept feeding her processed cat food. lost most of her weight barely moved, we thought it was cancer ( the vet said!) tried all the science plan foods etc too. We thought she was days or weeks from the end.Raw food ( rabbit, beef etc) and she's now 4.5kgs and healthy as. Our other cat is much happier with it too.
bexVN said:
Don't bring vaccines into this thread! Start a new thread instead. Just looks like you are out to attack a veterinary professional again,
I just knew what response would occur to the above post and I wasn't disappointed!
Nope, but I am being told that I am wrong and that raw food is bad - a vet says so. A vet who cares more about animals than money (which I hope is true and I know plenty who do, but they advocate raw feeding). So this assertion needs to be tested, because I don't want people reading threads like this to suddenly decide NOT to feed their pets the best food for their health and wellbeing.I just knew what response would occur to the above post and I wasn't disappointed!
Jasandjules said:
Nope, but I am being told that I am wrong and that raw food is bad - a vet says so. A vet who cares more about animals than money (which I hope is true and I know plenty who do, but they advocate raw feeding). So this assertion needs to be tested, because I don't want people reading threads like this to suddenly decide NOT to feed their pets the best food for their health and wellbeing.
Try re-reading my post after you've removed that big (raw) chip from your shoulder.whoami said:
The cat obviously had health problems; what were they?
Yes some sort of allergy to processed food. Not joking we tried every packaged food we could. We even tried straight roast chicken for a few months (not as much trouble as you think!)
Last resort raw food and its perfect.
RobDickinson said:
whoami said:
The cat obviously had health problems; what were they?
Yes some sort of allergy to processed food. Not joking we tried every packaged food we could. We even tried straight roast chicken for a few months (not as much trouble as you think!)
Last resort raw food and its perfect.
How old was she when she started to react to the processed stuff?
I'm a final year vet student, as yet uncorrupted by money and power unless you think the university is being bribed by corporations to tell us something like "Hills is way better than Royal Canin" and to only feed that. Pretty sure they aren't but I'm not a mind reading alien (which you may also believe in) so I couldn't confirm.
I'd like to think I care about the welfare of animals rather than a new set of alloys for my apparently 'nice for a student' car and I personally think, that if a raw diet is done PROPERLY! and I can't stress that enough! PROPERLY!, with all the vitamins and minerals present and correct, then it is just as good as a processed diet which is also designed to have all of the vitamins and minerals required in it.
A cheap processed diet is worse than a decent raw diet and vice versa. Unless your pet has a bout of diarrhoea then something cheap like Chappie is quite nice for a short spell as it's easily digestible, but in the long term yeah it's not great and you should aim to get something more balanced.
If you want to feed raw then go ahead and as long as you are doing it properly then your pet will hopefully live a long and happy life. If you want to feed a processed diet then, as long as it's a good one, your pet will hopefully also live a long and happy life.
If all of the nutrients are available the source of them isn't relevant. And if you have a cat then odds are it's out in the fields or gardens supplementing its diet with little furry things regardless of what you feed it at home.
Apologies for the product placement if it isn't allowed, there are bloody thousands of other brands available!
I'd like to think I care about the welfare of animals rather than a new set of alloys for my apparently 'nice for a student' car and I personally think, that if a raw diet is done PROPERLY! and I can't stress that enough! PROPERLY!, with all the vitamins and minerals present and correct, then it is just as good as a processed diet which is also designed to have all of the vitamins and minerals required in it.
A cheap processed diet is worse than a decent raw diet and vice versa. Unless your pet has a bout of diarrhoea then something cheap like Chappie is quite nice for a short spell as it's easily digestible, but in the long term yeah it's not great and you should aim to get something more balanced.
If you want to feed raw then go ahead and as long as you are doing it properly then your pet will hopefully live a long and happy life. If you want to feed a processed diet then, as long as it's a good one, your pet will hopefully also live a long and happy life.
If all of the nutrients are available the source of them isn't relevant. And if you have a cat then odds are it's out in the fields or gardens supplementing its diet with little furry things regardless of what you feed it at home.
Apologies for the product placement if it isn't allowed, there are bloody thousands of other brands available!
well said ^^. Both raw and processed have there strengths and weaknesses. I just try and make sure owners have knowledge about what they choose. I will be honest I worry that raw feeding is not followed well by all owners.Interesting stuff never really considered giving our cats a raw food diet but may be worth looking into it a bit more.
We feed our two wet and dry food. Wet we are using Felix kitten as they have never liked the other brands we tried very much.
The dry we are using James wellbeloved and wainrights which I hope are decent enough quality!
We feed our two wet and dry food. Wet we are using Felix kitten as they have never liked the other brands we tried very much.
The dry we are using James wellbeloved and wainrights which I hope are decent enough quality!
GokTweed said:
I'm a final year vet student, as yet uncorrupted by money and power unless you think the university is being bribed by corporations to tell us something like "Hills is way better than Royal Canin" and to only feed that. Pretty sure they aren't but I'm not a mind reading alien (which you may also believe in) so I couldn't confirm.
You tell me...Hill's scientists author more than 50 research papers and textbook chapters each year and teach at leading schools of veterinary medicine all over the world so we can put our knowledge and expertise into every Hill's™ pet food for you.
Jasandjules said:
GokTweed said:
I'm a final year vet student, as yet uncorrupted by money and power unless you think the university is being bribed by corporations to tell us something like "Hills is way better than Royal Canin" and to only feed that. Pretty sure they aren't but I'm not a mind reading alien (which you may also believe in) so I couldn't confirm.
You tell me...Hill's scientists author more than 50 research papers and textbook chapters each year and teach at leading schools of veterinary medicine all over the world so we can put our knowledge and expertise into every Hill's™ pet food for you.
Oh, forgot to add, yes, not everyone is intelligent enough to cope with raw and the requirements, simple as they are.
However, there are companies who do "all in" types of packages - I've not tried them myself so no idea how appropriate they are, assume fairly decent and I would imagine still better/healthier than kibble.
However, there are companies who do "all in" types of packages - I've not tried them myself so no idea how appropriate they are, assume fairly decent and I would imagine still better/healthier than kibble.
bexVN said:
: I will be honest I worry that raw feeding is not followed well by all owners.
I would have thought that anyone who is even looking into feeding Raw takes their cats nutrition seriously, not saying people who feed processed wet or dry don't but to get to the raw point most will have read up the pros and cons re processed and come to the conclusion that raw offers a better solution. Personally I have massive reservations about dry food but what also concerns me about wet food is that on many of the standard tins of food their are no ingredient lists.. Why not? What is there to hide??
Looking at Whiskers pouches 4% meat and cereals, that says it all really, James Wellbeloved 35% and pea protein, hmm if I put a bowl of peas down I can't see my cat being that impressed, protein from meat has to be better. Natural instinct raw is 94% meat all of which is human grade meat. Sourcing ones own meat would give you an extra level of control.
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