f430 F1 gearbox - does yours change up at redline?

[br d]

corinthian said:

I've done a further 10k miles in your old car Brad and I'm not sure which setting it changes up in but it certainly has changed up. I'm not going out in it tonight as the roads are covered in salt but next time I do,I'll check. Other than that, I have to agree our car is indeed special, I think it's the best one they ever made!

"Our car" I'll have her over christmas please then Corin!

I'm getting very interested in this now, I'm certain Sport mode was the middle setting and I always kept it there, I only tried Race on a couple of brief occasions and never once drove it on the 5th setting. You may well tell me that it changes up in Sport now but I can categorically say that it didn't when I had it, there appear to be a couple of other people in the thread who say the same. Very odd.

I was very concious of it hitting the limiter*, always made me wince when it happened and being a crap driver I would have welcomed auto change ups, would've meant I could drive faster!

• Don't worry C it didn't happen that often, our car was very well loved by me!

Edited by br d on Thursday 18th December 16:37

[AndyGarton]

Actually you're right, race is the fourth setting on the 430, I'd forgotten they changed it for the 458 (where the middle setting is race).

[AndyGarton]

... although to avoid confusion, that doesn't mean it doesn't change automatically before the rev limiter in sport mode (which it does, or should).

[corinthian]

You've all got me wondering now??? I've never been brave enough to use the instant death, computer off setting either, so it's not that. It's a pest if it changes itself because, if you don't expect it and ping the paddle, you sometimes get two up shifts, this ruins the effect when you go for a screaming dash to the horizon. Hopeful for a bit of dry road this weekend and then we'll know.
As for downshift, yes ,it always shifts down to avoid stalling in all settings, I have sometimes used the slippy mode if I'm just cruising along, it softens the dampers a bit which is not always a bad thing.

[sealtt]

Wet mode also changes up at redline.

[br d]

corinthian said:

As for downshift, yes ,it always shifts down to avoid stalling in all settings, I have sometimes used the slippy mode if I'm just cruising along, it softens the dampers a bit which is not always a bad thing.

If I was approaching a set of lights or queue of traffic I would always pull both paddles into neutral and slow with brakes only, gave me very long clutch life.

[Slickhillsy]

br d said:

corinthian said:

As for downshift, yes ,it always shifts down to avoid stalling in all settings, I have sometimes used the slippy mode if I'm just cruising along, it softens the dampers a bit which is not always a bad thing.

If I was approaching a set of lights or queue of traffic I would always pull both paddles into neutral and slow with brakes only, gave me very long clutch life.

My understanding is that you dont need to do this (before buying mine I assumed so) hence when you are stationary with it in first the car doesnt want to pull away like an auto. The clutch ware comes from how the initial application is managed. Quickly and cleanly = lower clutch ware / slowly and stop start (city) = increased ware. You can sit at the lights all day long with it in first and you wont ware the clutch.

[AndyGarton]

Slickhillsy said:

My understanding is that you dont need to do this (before buying mine I assumed so) hence when you are stationary with it in first the car doesnt want to pull away like an auto. The clutch ware comes from how the initial application is managed. Quickly and cleanly = lower clutch ware / slowly and stop start (city) = increased ware. You can sit at the lights all day long with it in first and you wont ware the clutch.

I've seen it argued convincingly both ways. I always used to put it in neutral for extended stops as it just felt like the right thing to do! I still do with my 458 even though I think it's more widely accepted that it serves no purpose with a dual clutch transmission.

[Slickhillsy]

AndyGarton said:

Slickhillsy said:

My understanding is that you dont need to do this (before buying mine I assumed so) hence when you are stationary with it in first the car doesnt want to pull away like an auto. The clutch ware comes from how the initial application is managed. Quickly and cleanly = lower clutch ware / slowly and stop start (city) = increased ware. You can sit at the lights all day long with it in first and you wont ware the clutch.

I've seen it argued convincingly both ways. I always used to put it in neutral for extended stops as it just felt like the right thing to do! I still do with my 458 even though I think it's more widely accepted that it serves no purpose with a dual clutch transmission.

Interesting... I was correct about clutch wear but didnt know about the F1 pump..
"Reason being, shifting into neutral relieves the pressure on the F1 pump. "

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/298383-f4...

[br d]

Slickhillsy said:

AndyGarton said:

Slickhillsy said:

My understanding is that you dont need to do this (before buying mine I assumed so) hence when you are stationary with it in first the car doesnt want to pull away like an auto. The clutch ware comes from how the initial application is managed. Quickly and cleanly = lower clutch ware / slowly and stop start (city) = increased ware. You can sit at the lights all day long with it in first and you wont ware the clutch.

I've seen it argued convincingly both ways. I always used to put it in neutral for extended stops as it just felt like the right thing to do! I still do with my 458 even though I think it's more widely accepted that it serves no purpose with a dual clutch transmission.

Interesting... I was correct about clutch wear but didnt know about the F1 pump..
"Reason being, shifting into neutral relieves the pressure on the F1 pump. "

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/298383-f4...

I thought it would automatically switch into neutral after a while if you sat stationary in first.

[corinthian]

Never tested that fact Brad, I also select neutral when I'm stopping. I've never needed a clutch on any car I've owned, I do seem to chew up the tyres though.
Whohoo, I've just realised the road is crisp and dry, I'm off for a blast!

[corinthian]

Well, the dry road is now wet and icy, but I did find out, she automatically changes up just befiore the limiter on slippy and sport mode, race will have to wait for better weather.

[steelej]

corinthian said:

Well, the dry road is now wet and icy, but I did find out, she automatically changes up just befiore the limiter on slippy and sport mode, race will have to wait for better weather.

just a point about slippy and wet modes, they slip the clutch more than sport to try and be easier with the power. I only ever use sport for normal driving just being careful if it's wet and only use Race on a Sunny dry day blast.

John.

[Jules360]

Slickhillsy said:

AndyGarton said:

Slickhillsy said:

My understanding is that you dont need to do this (before buying mine I assumed so) hence when you are stationary with it in first the car doesnt want to pull away like an auto. The clutch ware comes from how the initial application is managed. Quickly and cleanly = lower clutch ware / slowly and stop start (city) = increased ware. You can sit at the lights all day long with it in first and you wont ware the clutch.

I've seen it argued convincingly both ways. I always used to put it in neutral for extended stops as it just felt like the right thing to do! I still do with my 458 even though I think it's more widely accepted that it serves no purpose with a dual clutch transmission.

Interesting... I was correct about clutch wear but didnt know about the F1 pump..
"Reason being, shifting into neutral relieves the pressure on the F1 pump. "

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/298383-f4...

You also learned how to spell wear.

[Jules360]

Slickhillsy said:

AndyGarton said:

Slickhillsy said:

My understanding is that you dont need to do this (before buying mine I assumed so) hence when you are stationary with it in first the car doesnt want to pull away like an auto. The clutch ware comes from how the initial application is managed. Quickly and cleanly = lower clutch ware / slowly and stop start (city) = increased ware. You can sit at the lights all day long with it in first and you wont ware the clutch.

I've seen it argued convincingly both ways. I always used to put it in neutral for extended stops as it just felt like the right thing to do! I still do with my 458 even though I think it's more widely accepted that it serves no purpose with a dual clutch transmission.

Interesting... I was correct about clutch wear but didnt know about the F1 pump..
"Reason being, shifting into neutral relieves the pressure on the F1 pump. "

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/298383-f4...

You also learned how to spell wear.

[ThreesixtyM]

My previous F1 clutch stats were; 5k miles, 3% wear. So perhaps the clutch should last for 150k?!!
My technique was minimum revs, gently applied, to get the car moving..then go for it. I almost always changed down manually to a stop, then selected neutral.
I believe the wear depends on how you move off rather than what you do when you're on the move.

[Slickhillsy]

Jules360 said:

Slickhillsy said:

AndyGarton said:

Slickhillsy said:

My understanding is that you dont need to do this (before buying mine I assumed so) hence when you are stationary with it in first the car doesnt want to pull away like an auto. The clutch ware comes from how the initial application is managed. Quickly and cleanly = lower clutch ware / slowly and stop start (city) = increased ware. You can sit at the lights all day long with it in first and you wont ware the clutch.

I've seen it argued convincingly both ways. I always used to put it in neutral for extended stops as it just felt like the right thing to do! I still do with my 458 even though I think it's more widely accepted that it serves no purpose with a dual clutch transmission.

Interesting... I was correct about clutch wear but didnt know about the F1 pump..
"Reason being, shifting into neutral relieves the pressure on the F1 pump. "

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/298383-f4...

Lol... Well spotted - bloody auto txt!

You also learned how to spell wear.