Suspension & brakes upgrade packages
Discussion
Joolz is worth a try?
Depends surely on what you are trying to achieve? Theres no clues as to budget (there is a huge difference in price between budget and high end dampers). Brakes - do you have a track car with LS engine that requires 6 pot calipers and the largest discs available?
http://www.kitsandclassics.co.uk/
So I really think it depends on purpose and budget.
If you are in London then someone like Andy at APM can help (he's just down the road near Liphook).
Ultimately I dont think anyone offers off the shelf packages as there are so many variables. But various TVR specialists will be able to offer you what you want surely?
Depends surely on what you are trying to achieve? Theres no clues as to budget (there is a huge difference in price between budget and high end dampers). Brakes - do you have a track car with LS engine that requires 6 pot calipers and the largest discs available?
http://www.kitsandclassics.co.uk/
So I really think it depends on purpose and budget.
If you are in London then someone like Andy at APM can help (he's just down the road near Liphook).
Ultimately I dont think anyone offers off the shelf packages as there are so many variables. But various TVR specialists will be able to offer you what you want surely?
Edited by Gazzab on Wednesday 10th December 12:24
Thanks for the replies......no racing aspirations...more of a project to create the ultimate handling TVR as if it was being manufactured today using the best of what's available now and yet maintaining the spirit and look of the best traditional British sports car. Most TVR specialists can easily fit upgraded shocks and Tuscan brakes (& refurbish Rover and TVR engines perfectly well), but I'm wondering if there are better specialists - as in the States for example where there seems to be much more of 'old made modern' going on.....
mdrc said:
Thanks for the replies......no racing aspirations...more of a project to create the ultimate handling TVR as if it was being manufactured today using the best of what's available now and yet maintaining the spirit and look of the best traditional British sports car. Most TVR specialists can easily fit upgraded shocks and Tuscan brakes (& refurbish Rover and TVR engines perfectly well), but I'm wondering if there are better specialists - as in the States for example where there seems to be much more of 'old made modern' going on.....
There have been one or two Cerbs modified to change the suspension mounts (I think Plasticman is the expert) to improve things. Also one or two changed to have other brakes eg Aston Martin and WRC calipers / discs. There have been some T cars changed to Sag set up afaik.
If you speak with Joolz then he can tell you what he can do.
A good AP set up on a Chimp or Griff will be pretty good and I suspect the Singers etc of this world dont do anything much better than add say a later porsche kit which I suspect wont be much different in practice than a decent AP set up.
The existing brakes will stop if you put proper pads in anyway, but they still LOOK feeble, even some high end footballer bling mobiles still have sliding calipers with covers on to look 4/6 pot.
Bigger brakes are increased thermal capacity, and stiffer if your caliper is worn or subject to flexing.
The way to make the car feel and drive more modern would be to put electronics on it, traction/launch/stability/ABS etc, but that would be missing the point?
I wouldnt want my mum to be able to drive to the shops without crashing it, i doubt she would make the top of the road without watching Emerdale via a neighbours hedge
I bet she would get that loaf of bread with a modern Porker or Ferrari?
Bigger brakes are increased thermal capacity, and stiffer if your caliper is worn or subject to flexing.
The way to make the car feel and drive more modern would be to put electronics on it, traction/launch/stability/ABS etc, but that would be missing the point?
I wouldnt want my mum to be able to drive to the shops without crashing it, i doubt she would make the top of the road without watching Emerdale via a neighbours hedge
I bet she would get that loaf of bread with a modern Porker or Ferrari?
Compared to a modern performance car (e.g. Cayman, 911, R8, F-Type, Evora, 458 etc), TVR suspensions (Chimera, Griffith, Cerbera and T-Cars) have poor component stiffness (knuckles, wishbones), poor linkage geometry (wishbone and trackrod pivot locations) and an inherently compromised rear suspension system configuration. As a result they suffer from less than ideal wheel control under drive, braking and cornering and poor refinement. On the plus side the cars are light and have a reasonable mass distribution.
Suspension changes beyond fitting aftermarket springs and dampers and poly bushes are generally not available for road cars for the following reasons:
1) knowledge required to produce an improved solution
2) access to suitable engineering facilities
3) cost of engineering and validating strength and durability of safety critical components
4) liability risk in the event of component failure (we're talking sudden loss of control of where a wheel is pointing)
5) likely high cost to customer of a worthwhile solution package
6) very small potential market against which to generate a profitable return on the above investment (good solutions would be most likely model specific)
The "Evolution" Chimera/ Griffith chassis and suspension package seem to be the closest anyone has come to offering something on this scale so far, but I don't know how much it is changed from standard or how good it is.
Suspension changes beyond fitting aftermarket springs and dampers and poly bushes are generally not available for road cars for the following reasons:
1) knowledge required to produce an improved solution
2) access to suitable engineering facilities
3) cost of engineering and validating strength and durability of safety critical components
4) liability risk in the event of component failure (we're talking sudden loss of control of where a wheel is pointing)
5) likely high cost to customer of a worthwhile solution package
6) very small potential market against which to generate a profitable return on the above investment (good solutions would be most likely model specific)
The "Evolution" Chimera/ Griffith chassis and suspension package seem to be the closest anyone has come to offering something on this scale so far, but I don't know how much it is changed from standard or how good it is.
good story, and indeed there's not much info about and around the evolution chassis experiences...
I follow those threads but not much going on there...
also very curious how such complete kit drives, I mean the Evo chassis with LS3 485 compared with a good standard or tuned Griffith/Chimaera.
I follow those threads but not much going on there...
also very curious how such complete kit drives, I mean the Evo chassis with LS3 485 compared with a good standard or tuned Griffith/Chimaera.
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