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Is there a General Election next year:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11655581.A64_to_be...
I agree with one of the comments, this is 40 years late already.
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11655581.A64_to_be...
I agree with one of the comments, this is 40 years late already.
£250,000,000 to upgrade all that?
Didn't Harrogate just get £50,000,000 to tweak the bad cross-roads near Sainsburys and fill in some pot holes for the TDF?
And the junction is still bad, and the general state of roads are still generally poor around Harrogate.
£250 million wouldn't dual all the way to Malton if the above example of efficiency is to be believed.
Yep, maybe 40yrs too late. I'm guessing like a lot of the UK motorway/by-pass plans from the 80's which were all cancelled, they've really hurt the economy more and more.
I'd rather see the government promise £100 billion over the next 10yrs on roads. Finish every by-pass that was started, finish off every motorway link that was started, and add in new ones where they're needed.
Give all the jobs to local UK based contractors where possible.
Suddenly you'd get oodles of long-term sustainable jobs, boosts to local economies, yadda yadda.
We can but dream of a government that uses joined up long-term thinking.
Didn't Harrogate just get £50,000,000 to tweak the bad cross-roads near Sainsburys and fill in some pot holes for the TDF?
And the junction is still bad, and the general state of roads are still generally poor around Harrogate.
£250 million wouldn't dual all the way to Malton if the above example of efficiency is to be believed.
Yep, maybe 40yrs too late. I'm guessing like a lot of the UK motorway/by-pass plans from the 80's which were all cancelled, they've really hurt the economy more and more.
I'd rather see the government promise £100 billion over the next 10yrs on roads. Finish every by-pass that was started, finish off every motorway link that was started, and add in new ones where they're needed.
Give all the jobs to local UK based contractors where possible.
Suddenly you'd get oodles of long-term sustainable jobs, boosts to local economies, yadda yadda.
We can but dream of a government that uses joined up long-term thinking.
They are possibly going to put a flyover in at Hopgrove roundabout! Something called Grade Separation which I don`t understand. Seems it will take Leeds bound traffic off the roundabout to allow free flow. Maybe a Leeds filter lane at the Jinnah restaurant? The £9,000,000 they spent on the roundabout 5 years ago hasn`t helped this.
Maybe they could re-invest that £600,000 they paid to have those `emergency refuge` laybys constructed just past Hopgrove - never used as far as I`ve ever heard & now so overgrown you hardly know they are there.
In some eyes going to Scarborough is a dead end route anyway, hence the low priority. The improvements might allow you to get to the traffic jams by the Scarborough Park & Ride a little faster in 2030.
Maybe they could re-invest that £600,000 they paid to have those `emergency refuge` laybys constructed just past Hopgrove - never used as far as I`ve ever heard & now so overgrown you hardly know they are there.
In some eyes going to Scarborough is a dead end route anyway, hence the low priority. The improvements might allow you to get to the traffic jams by the Scarborough Park & Ride a little faster in 2030.
julianm said:
The £9,000,000 they spent on the roundabout 5 years ago hasn`t helped this.
That change was to allow traffic from the Outer Ring Road to get onto the A64. Yes it snarls up the traffic on the 64, but it stopped traffic going through York to get onto the 64 at other spots.julianm said:
Maybe they could re-invest that £600,000 they paid to have those `emergency refuge` laybys constructed just past Hopgrove - never used
I've seen them used. After accidents, they pull/shove/push the damaged cars to them in order to get the traffic flowing again. The one near Hazelbush gets used a lot, although thats more down to how dangerous that junction is than anything else. Its one I avoid like the plauge unless its very early or late.The problems at the Hopgrove have very little to do with the Hopgrove itself and more to do with 2 lanes of Eastbound traffic having to filter down to one lane. This will be just chucking more money at the situation and not at the cause of the issue, it will be as effective as the A19 Skelton roundabouts works.
julianm said:
I`m hoping the increase from 40 to 50 for HGV`s will help a bit & make the single sections more bearable. I`m not on it so often these days so hope it does get better for you regulars.
As a regular user of the s/c sections of the A64 in my truck, the problem is 90% car drivers dawdling along at 40mph. Don't blame us. With the exception of the supermarket drivers, the vast majority of us would be doing 56 given the chance.The problem is 100% over-capacity.
Car drivers are in their rights to dawdle and be overtaken if they want. But throwing a DC's worth of traffic down an SC/DC combo and expecting traffic to free-flow is bonkers.
A full DC upgrade is a lifetime late to start with... you can't do anything but cry inside at how stupid and short sighted our government have become over the last 30 years.
To think all these amazing off-piste road routes we take for granted today were built when capacity needs were much much lower. They had an eye on the future, and thank god they did because that network is still holding up 'ok' today given the loads.
Dave
Car drivers are in their rights to dawdle and be overtaken if they want. But throwing a DC's worth of traffic down an SC/DC combo and expecting traffic to free-flow is bonkers.
A full DC upgrade is a lifetime late to start with... you can't do anything but cry inside at how stupid and short sighted our government have become over the last 30 years.
To think all these amazing off-piste road routes we take for granted today were built when capacity needs were much much lower. They had an eye on the future, and thank god they did because that network is still holding up 'ok' today given the loads.
Dave
Mc Cain`s & others certainly run at 39 so apologies if you are affronted. I`ve followed some of our visiting continental types who happily do 60+ even on the single carriageway section. As you`re behind the wheel & probably in the know do you think operators will allow drivers to take up the higher speeds if & when they do some sort of time vs fuel cost calculation?
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