Seat 'lane assist' ad -are driving standards now THAT bad..?
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ensignia said:
Ari's having a shocker in this thread.
Manufacturers devote millions of pounds and man hours to perfect the technology and cover virtually every scenario. It's all very clever when you think about it, yet some bloke from Somerset thinks he knows better and says it's dangerous.
To claim that people will completely rely on it and look at their phones more as a result is quite frankly ridiculous.
.. except its not, because a friend of mine was just telling me how much he missed his old Audi company car last weekend because the lane assist and radar cruise made it so easy for him to use his phone on his commute. To quote...Manufacturers devote millions of pounds and man hours to perfect the technology and cover virtually every scenario. It's all very clever when you think about it, yet some bloke from Somerset thinks he knows better and says it's dangerous.
To claim that people will completely rely on it and look at their phones more as a result is quite frankly ridiculous.
"Facebook, news feed, *bzzzzz*, look up- oh whoops, back to phone *bzzzzzz*, whoops - steer right, back to phone, *bzzzzz*, whoops - steer left..." etc.
He admitted it was bad, but it made it so easy.
Devil2575 said:
This is a prime example of annecdotal evidence though isn't it.
At least 1 in 50? I asume you have data to support this or is it just a number you made up to support your argument?
I was sat on a bus for about five hours, most of which was on two or three lane roads watching a steady stream of cars pass us. At least 1 in 50? I asume you have data to support this or is it just a number you made up to support your argument?
About one in fifty (indeed I'd go as far as to say at least one in fifty, it really was a shocking proportion) of the drivers that drove past us had their phone in their hand in the manner of the photograph (which I took of one of them).
I'm sorry, I'm not sure how I can make that any easier for you to comprehend...
glasgowrob said:
AlexIT said:
I have it on my Leon and despite the fact that we always think we are always 100% focused in driving sometimes, especially on long motorways trips, it warned me a few times of my distraction.
Another positive effect is that it forces you to use your direction indicators to overtake as otherwise you will have to struggle to cross the line.
Hold on am I reading this right?Another positive effect is that it forces you to use your direction indicators to overtake as otherwise you will have to struggle to cross the line.
You can't change lanes unless you indicate ?
Quick get this on every car in the uk pronto suddenly I feel the love for this
I agree that this should go on every car here in Italy too
sixspeed said:
.. except its not, because a friend of mine was just telling me how much he missed his old Audi company car last weekend because the lane assist and radar cruise made it so easy for him to use his phone on his commute. To quote...
"Facebook, news feed, *bzzzzz*, look up- oh whoops, back to phone *bzzzzzz*, whoops - steer right, back to phone, *bzzzzz*, whoops - steer left..." etc.
He admitted it was bad, but it made it so easy.
This is exactly my concern. People do look at their phones whilst driving. Now we're giving them technology to make it even easier."Facebook, news feed, *bzzzzz*, look up- oh whoops, back to phone *bzzzzzz*, whoops - steer right, back to phone, *bzzzzz*, whoops - steer left..." etc.
He admitted it was bad, but it made it so easy.
If you step back a bit from the situation, all these driver aids (lane departure, auto cruise control etc) are the manufacturers way of slowly moving the car industry to a fully driverless car one step at a time, rather than creating a step change from nothing to fully automated. Doing this gradually also allows them to tune the systems and gather data to build into the automation systems.
I do hope that cars will still be able to be manually controlled when that day does come for those of us who enjoy driving, maybe even to the point of having a mixed mode car. You drive yourself to the pub and if you fail a breathalyser when getting back into the car, it drives you home
I do hope that cars will still be able to be manually controlled when that day does come for those of us who enjoy driving, maybe even to the point of having a mixed mode car. You drive yourself to the pub and if you fail a breathalyser when getting back into the car, it drives you home
My gripe with these systems is that if fitted it will inevitably become part of the MOT test, because it is a safety system that the driver will expect to be working, a bit like self-levelling HID lights are now. You can bet that a failure of the system will cost thousands to fix because parts cannot be repaired, they have to be replaced so you could end up with a perfectly safe car that fails its MOT and needs loads spending on it.
garycat said:
My gripe with these systems is that if fitted it will inevitably become part of the MOT test, because it is a safety system that the driver will expect to be working, a bit like self-levelling HID lights are now. You can bet that a failure of the system will cost thousands to fix because parts cannot be repaired, they have to be replaced so you could end up with a perfectly safe car that fails its MOT and needs loads spending on it.
So let's forget the safety systems to aid poor people getting behind the wheel?Swanny87 said:
Sump said:
I find that people complaining are the ones that haven't travelled the world.
This.Yes, in many places drivers do absolutely bonkers stuff of a completely different order of magnitude to what you see in the UK but that has no relevance to whether British drivers are a bit rubbish and prone to pulling out their mobile phones at the first opportunity and are likely to use this lane assist to do more of it.
chrispj said:
You can keep saying that if it makes you feel superior but you are talking rubbish.
Yes, in many places drivers do absolutely bonkers stuff of a completely different order of magnitude to what you see in the UK but that has no relevance to whether British drivers are a bit rubbish and prone to pulling out their mobile phones at the first opportunity and are likely to use this lane assist to do more of it.
Saying someone can't be angry or dissatisfied with something because someone else has it worse is as perverse as saying someone isn't allowed to be happy because someone has it better.Yes, in many places drivers do absolutely bonkers stuff of a completely different order of magnitude to what you see in the UK but that has no relevance to whether British drivers are a bit rubbish and prone to pulling out their mobile phones at the first opportunity and are likely to use this lane assist to do more of it.
luckystrike said:
chrispj said:
You can keep saying that if it makes you feel superior but you are talking rubbish.
Yes, in many places drivers do absolutely bonkers stuff of a completely different order of magnitude to what you see in the UK but that has no relevance to whether British drivers are a bit rubbish and prone to pulling out their mobile phones at the first opportunity and are likely to use this lane assist to do more of it.
Saying someone can't be angry or dissatisfied with something because someone else has it worse is as perverse as saying someone isn't allowed to be happy because someone has it better.Yes, in many places drivers do absolutely bonkers stuff of a completely different order of magnitude to what you see in the UK but that has no relevance to whether British drivers are a bit rubbish and prone to pulling out their mobile phones at the first opportunity and are likely to use this lane assist to do more of it.
chrispj said:
Ari said:
I'm sorry, I'm not sure how I can make that any easier for you to comprehend...
If it's not from a government/industry backed study, devil2575 doesn't want to know...At least Ari is talking about behaviour that could lead to an accident. When I countered Chrispj's assertion with some facts about falling accident rates he suddenly claimed to be only talking about inconsiderate driving.
I suspect that, as is all too common, you guys have an opinion based on a handful of experiences and/or a dislike of car safety technology so have decided that you absolutely know what will happen and that it will be bad.
FiF said:
Now there's a slight bit of background information you need is that as part of our training we are encouraged to offside it where appropriate, straight line bends and roundabouts again only where clearly safe to do so.
The system in the merc will not activate if you've pushed the sport button and are driving 'briskly'. That is, if you're giving assertive steering inputs it won't vibrate if you use the whole road.I dnot like it because it's rather an unpleasant vibration through the wheel, and I tend to only indicate when I'm actually telling someone useful information. As a result, on lightly trafficked roads I trigger it quite a lot.
Yes, driving standards appear to be heading that way, although that is more to do with a driving licence being seen as a right rather than a privilege.
I prefer my cars as gadget free as possible (each to their own), but I keep them for ages and all these gadgets just end up breaking and cost me a fortune to get fixed at a main dealers even though the car is old. That is my main objection to them.
I prefer my cars as gadget free as possible (each to their own), but I keep them for ages and all these gadgets just end up breaking and cost me a fortune to get fixed at a main dealers even though the car is old. That is my main objection to them.
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