Seat 'lane assist' ad -are driving standards now THAT bad..?

[mph1977]

AW111 said:

mph1977 said:

AW111 said:

<snip>. change lanes without indicating too often and your insurance premiums go up.
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If anyone should be handing back their licence it;s you , what does the highway code tell us about signalling ?

So why are you changing lanes on the motorway if there's no traffic?

returning leftwards having clearly passed the vehicle you were overtaking , with no vehicle in front for half a mile or more ?

[Devil2575]

Ari said:

So far better to allow the sleeping driver to continue undisturbed at 70mph and fingers crossed on his behalf that there's no stationary traffic ahead than to alert him to the fact he's nodding off/wake him if he does so?

What genuinely bizarre justification.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-driving-safety/s...

It would be a bizarre justification if that was what I had said.

I didn't say that though did I.

Nice use of a straw man argument though.

[ensignia]

There are many pig headed simpletons on here, but few have managed to show themselves up as badly as Ari in this thread.

It's just best to let him get on with it, angrily mumbling to himself in his Ford Orion that things aren't how they used to be and that the men of today are a bunch of poofs with their jeans and haircuts, and letting a computer tell them how to drive. Merry f**king Christmas!

[Sump]

Don't let him see this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c98h41TkREA

[Ari]

Devil2575 said:

Ari said:

So far better to allow the sleeping driver to continue undisturbed at 70mph and fingers crossed on his behalf that there's no stationary traffic ahead than to alert him to the fact he's nodding off/wake him if he does so?

What genuinely bizarre justification.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-driving-safety/s...

It would be a bizarre justification if that was what I had said.

I didn't say that though did I.

Nice use of a straw man argument though.

You're suggesting a car that steers itself is a good thing in case the driver falls asleep, I'm suggesting a driver alert system that warns him he's getting drowsy and avoids that situation might be better. No 'strawman'.

Anyway, we're going round in lane assisted circles here so I'm bowing out. The advocates claim it's a convenience feature that definitely won't be abused by our conscientious careful UK drivers (if only because there's been no official study so they can't, somehow) or that it is a safety feature so the car carries on down the lane if the driver nods off. Very safe.

I'm suggesting it is VERY open to abuse by those who will see it as a car that 'drives itself'.

Not much more to be said.

[Ari]

ensignia said:

There are many pig headed simpletons on here, but few have managed to show themselves up as badly as Ari in this thread.

It's just best to let him get on with it, angrily mumbling to himself in his Ford Orion that things aren't how they used to be and that the men of today are a bunch of poofs with their jeans and haircuts, and letting a computer tell them how to drive. Merry f**king Christmas!

Oh look, bless you tappity tapping away on your dads big computer and telling off The Man On The Internet like a boss!

Happy 'f**king' Christmas to you too little fella, and if your mum takes you to the park on Boxing Day to ride your shiny new bike, the first time you take your hands off the handlebars, instead of 'look mum, no hands' you can shout 'Look Mum, Lane Assist!'

[Sump]

Ari said:

Devil2575 said:

Ari said:

So far better to allow the sleeping driver to continue undisturbed at 70mph and fingers crossed on his behalf that there's no stationary traffic ahead than to alert him to the fact he's nodding off/wake him if he does so?

What genuinely bizarre justification.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-driving-safety/s...

It would be a bizarre justification if that was what I had said.

I didn't say that though did I.

Nice use of a straw man argument though.

You're suggesting a car that steers itself is a good thing in case the driver falls asleep, I'm suggesting a driver alert system that warns him he's getting drowsy and avoids that situation might be better. No 'strawman'.

Anyway, we're going round in lane assisted circles here so I'm bowing out. The advocates claim it's a convenience feature that definitely won't be abused by our conscientious careful UK drivers (if only because there's been no official study so they can't, somehow) or that it is a safety feature so the car carries on down the lane if the driver nods off. Very safe.

I'm suggesting it is VERY open to abuse by those who will see it as a car that 'drives itself'.

Not much more to be said.

The Lexus LS460 does that, vibrates the seat if it detects your face to show signs of drowsiness.

I don't think you're getting that it is not possible to treat this system as a car that drives itself.

Seriously, go try one out.

[bestdecisions]

The short answer to your question, in my experience, is a definite "yes", driving standards are that bad.
It's too easy to rant on about it, so I won't, but I do wonder exactly what gets taught on a driving course and test these days. Lane discipline? No. Use of indicators? Definitely no. Dangers of tailgating? No.
The problem with all the electronic "aids" is that they remove even more the need for alertness and attention to the driving task, when every car on the road is capable of 100mph+

[foggy]

Sump said:

Don't let him see this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c98h41TkREA

...nor this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY_zqEmKV1k

[mph1977]

bestdecisions said:

The short answer to your question, in my experience, is a definite "yes", driving standards are that bad.
It's too easy to rant on about it, so I won't, but I do wonder exactly what gets taught on a driving course and test these days. Lane discipline? No. Use of indicators? Definitely no. Dangers of tailgating? No.
The problem with all the electronic "aids" is that they remove even more the need for alertness and attention to the driving task, when every car on the road is capable of 100mph+

I think you'll find that they are taught it;s just that they are taught poorly by the increasingly dumbed down body of driving instructors ( where people are attracted by the promise of 'earn 30k and have a nice car ' adverts put out by the big franchise schools), rather than as we saw 20 + years ago a lot of ADIs being ex Police / fire service or military and having been professional drivers, professional trainers and so on in their previous roles, meaning people learning now have little understanding the basis of why becasue their trainers may only be slightly ahead of them , plus the increasingly arrogant attiudes of 'da youf' ...

[Devil2575]

mph1977 said:

I think you'll find that they are taught it;s just that they are taught poorly by the increasingly dumbed down body of driving instructors ( where people are attracted by the promise of 'earn 30k and have a nice car ' adverts put out by the big franchise schools), rather than as we saw 20 + years ago a lot of ADIs being ex Police / fire service or military and having been professional drivers, professional trainers and so on in their previous roles, meaning people learning now have little understanding the basis of why becasue their trainers may only be slightly ahead of them , plus the increasingly arrogant attiudes of 'da youf' ...

Really? This sounds like made up stuff to support the view that standards are declining, which as I said before there is no actual evidence to support.

And before someone replies, anecdotes do not constitute sound evidence.