Proof awareness courses are just a cash cow ?
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I've waited a while to post about this due to the content.
A period of time ago someone I know very well was pulled over as he was obviously using his mobile whilst driving.
He was spotted by a motorbicycle officer who sits in the samee spot regularly and has been observed pulling other road user for the same offence.
My 'friend' was offered the usual course or points and fine, all normal.
Except he was pooping his pants as he had no tax, no insurance, no MOT and perhaps most importantly, no fecking driving licence.
He thought he was fecked but instead, the officer gave him the paperwork saying he had to attend a driver awarness course.
Online he went and booked and paid for the course, all the while waiting to be sked for some details of his driving licence but none where required, ho he rejoiced when he discovered he didn't even need to produce it at the course !
He has tax, mot and insurance now, but still no license.
So, cash cow or not ?
A period of time ago someone I know very well was pulled over as he was obviously using his mobile whilst driving.
He was spotted by a motorbicycle officer who sits in the samee spot regularly and has been observed pulling other road user for the same offence.
My 'friend' was offered the usual course or points and fine, all normal.
Except he was pooping his pants as he had no tax, no insurance, no MOT and perhaps most importantly, no fecking driving licence.
He thought he was fecked but instead, the officer gave him the paperwork saying he had to attend a driver awarness course.
Online he went and booked and paid for the course, all the while waiting to be sked for some details of his driving licence but none where required, ho he rejoiced when he discovered he didn't even need to produce it at the course !
He has tax, mot and insurance now, but still no license.
So, cash cow or not ?
Jimmyarm said:
I've waited a while to post about this due to the content.
A period of time ago someone I know very well was pulled over as he was obviously using his mobile whilst driving.
He was spotted by a motorbicycle officer who sits in the samee spot regularly and has been observed pulling other road user for the same offence.
My 'friend' was offered the usual course or points and fine, all normal.
Except he was pooping his pants as he had no tax, no insurance, no MOT and perhaps most importantly, no fecking driving licence.
He thought he was fecked but instead, the officer gave him the paperwork saying he had to attend a driver awarness course.
Online he went and booked and paid for the course, all the while waiting to be sked for some details of his driving licence but none where required, ho he rejoiced when he discovered he didn't even need to produce it at the course !
He has tax, mot and insurance now, but still no license.
So, cash cow or not ?
I assume you've notified the relevant authorities?A period of time ago someone I know very well was pulled over as he was obviously using his mobile whilst driving.
He was spotted by a motorbicycle officer who sits in the samee spot regularly and has been observed pulling other road user for the same offence.
My 'friend' was offered the usual course or points and fine, all normal.
Except he was pooping his pants as he had no tax, no insurance, no MOT and perhaps most importantly, no fecking driving licence.
He thought he was fecked but instead, the officer gave him the paperwork saying he had to attend a driver awarness course.
Online he went and booked and paid for the course, all the while waiting to be sked for some details of his driving licence but none where required, ho he rejoiced when he discovered he didn't even need to produce it at the course !
He has tax, mot and insurance now, but still no license.
So, cash cow or not ?
Before anyone asks yes I would report a friend for driving in the scenario the OP describes.
"Proof" in title should be "phone" but predictive text caught it? 
Certainly for "speed awareness courses", driving licence (both parts) must be shown to gain entry
.
Having said this, it's true that for a "simple" speeding case the absence of insurance etc documents is generally not an issue as long as the boat remains unrocked (ie the nominated driver has a full driving licence, not naming a foreign driver who has since left the country etc)...
As described, apart from the lack of driving licence the same happened here.
So that's a
for automated enforcement then? 
And no, I'm not trolling - sadly, I am being very serious!
Certainly for "speed awareness courses", driving licence (both parts) must be shown to gain entry
.Having said this, it's true that for a "simple" speeding case the absence of insurance etc documents is generally not an issue as long as the boat remains unrocked (ie the nominated driver has a full driving licence, not naming a foreign driver who has since left the country etc)...
As described, apart from the lack of driving licence the same happened here.
So that's a
for automated enforcement then? And no, I'm not trolling - sadly, I am being very serious!
May I be the first to call shenanigans on this?
1. I cannot believe you would be stopped by the Police and they wouldn't run your number plate to see what else they could find.
2. If you can't show any documents, normally you get a 7 day producer for your local Nick.
3. I was on a Speed Awareness course very recently and you need to tale your DL, which was officially recorded.
No DL on the day, no course.
1. I cannot believe you would be stopped by the Police and they wouldn't run your number plate to see what else they could find.
2. If you can't show any documents, normally you get a 7 day producer for your local Nick.
3. I was on a Speed Awareness course very recently and you need to tale your DL, which was officially recorded.
No DL on the day, no course.
HD Adam said:
May I be the first to call shenanigans on this?
1. I cannot believe you would be stopped by the Police and they wouldn't run your number plate to see what else they could find.
2. If you can't show any documents, normally you get a 7 day producer for your local Nick.
3. I was on a Speed Awareness course very recently and you need to tale your DL, which was officially recorded.
No DL on the day, no course.
It is 100% true, I've waited a 'while' to post about it and am being a bit coy with details as it would be simple to work out who it was =)1. I cannot believe you would be stopped by the Police and they wouldn't run your number plate to see what else they could find.
2. If you can't show any documents, normally you get a 7 day producer for your local Nick.
3. I was on a Speed Awareness course very recently and you need to tale your DL, which was officially recorded.
No DL on the day, no course.
There is slighly more to the story but I can't go into it as it is giving too much away.
Jimmyarm said:
ZOLLAR said:
I assume you've notified the relevant authorities?
Before anyone asks yes I would report a friend for driving in the scenario the OP describes.
No I haven't. There are reasons for this that I don't wish to go into whatever the correct course of action.Before anyone asks yes I would report a friend for driving in the scenario the OP describes.
So there are NO reason at all. When he is involved in a fatal accident, what then, he may end up in clink, (serves him right), dependants trying to claim when he isn't insured. Basically he is a dick head and needs taking off our roads.
Vipers said:
You said "He had no tax, no insurance, no MOT and perhaps most importantly, no fecking driving licence."
So there are NO reason at all. When he is involved in a fatal accident, what then, he may end up in clink, (serves him right), dependants trying to claim when he isn't insured. Basically he is a dick head and needs taking off our roads.
Let's assume insurance would have picked up the third party aspect but leave it at that.So there are NO reason at all. When he is involved in a fatal accident, what then, he may end up in clink, (serves him right), dependants trying to claim when he isn't insured. Basically he is a dick head and needs taking off our roads.
The important bit is the basis of the post, get pulled for a specific offence, imimmediately offeredoffer a course and nothing else is looked at.
Not sure about the 'cash cow' bit however...
I was pulled over in MK on Tuesday by an unmarked Volvo. The officer said he saw me 'looking down' when I was in traffic. In truth I was looking down at the sat nav which was put by the gear leaver (lost the windscreen attachment) I explained I wasn't on the phone etc. I was breathalised, blew zero, and let on my way. Didn't ask my name, no insurance check, no licence check, didn't even ask if it was my car!
Perfectly polite police office, but a lack of checks did seem a bit strange!
I was pulled over in MK on Tuesday by an unmarked Volvo. The officer said he saw me 'looking down' when I was in traffic. In truth I was looking down at the sat nav which was put by the gear leaver (lost the windscreen attachment) I explained I wasn't on the phone etc. I was breathalised, blew zero, and let on my way. Didn't ask my name, no insurance check, no licence check, didn't even ask if it was my car!
Perfectly polite police office, but a lack of checks did seem a bit strange!
I have recently attended a speed awareness course and everyone attending had to show their driving licence and photo licence or the the paper licence and your photo proof ilke a passport.They had all the licence numbers of all attending and checked these off against the licence produced.
Also I am sure the officer who stopped him would have asked for his details or done a number plate check on his vehicle,
Therefore I think your story is a load of bo**ocks.
Also I am sure the officer who stopped him would have asked for his details or done a number plate check on his vehicle,
Therefore I think your story is a load of bo**ocks.
btcc123 said:
I have recently attended a speed awareness course and everyone attending had to show their driving licence and photo licence or the the paper licence and your photo proof ilke a passport.They had all the licence numbers of all attending and checked these off against the licence produced.
Also I am sure the officer who stopped him would have asked for his details or done a number plate check on his vehicle,
Therefore I think your story is a load of bo**ocks.
Nope, it was not a speed awareness awarenessawareness course for a start.Also I am sure the officer who stopped him would have asked for his details or done a number plate check on his vehicle,
Therefore I think your story is a load of bo**ocks.
At no point was the person asked for driving licence details
rpla102 said:
Not sure about the 'cash cow' bit however...
I was pulled over in MK on Tuesday by an unmarked Volvo. The officer said he saw me 'looking down' when I was in traffic. In truth I was looking down at the sat nav which was put by the gear leaver (lost the windscreen attachment) I explained I wasn't on the phone etc. I was breathalised, blew zero, and let on my way. Didn't ask my name, no insurance check, no licence check, didn't even ask if it was my car!
Perfectly polite police office, but a lack of checks did seem a bit strange!
Why worry, we give British Passports to crims after all, one has to wonder sometimes. God elp,us.I was pulled over in MK on Tuesday by an unmarked Volvo. The officer said he saw me 'looking down' when I was in traffic. In truth I was looking down at the sat nav which was put by the gear leaver (lost the windscreen attachment) I explained I wasn't on the phone etc. I was breathalised, blew zero, and let on my way. Didn't ask my name, no insurance check, no licence check, didn't even ask if it was my car!
Perfectly polite police office, but a lack of checks did seem a bit strange!
rpla102 said:
Not sure about the 'cash cow' bit however...
I was pulled over in MK on Tuesday by an unmarked Volvo. The officer said he saw me 'looking down' when I was in traffic. In truth I was looking down at the sat nav which was put by the gear leaver (lost the windscreen attachment) I explained I wasn't on the phone etc. I was breathalised, blew zero, and let on my way. Didn't ask my name, no insurance check, no licence check, didn't even ask if it was my car!
Perfectly polite police office, but a lack of checks did seem a bit strange!
Is it possible they checked on the computer before pulling you over?I was pulled over in MK on Tuesday by an unmarked Volvo. The officer said he saw me 'looking down' when I was in traffic. In truth I was looking down at the sat nav which was put by the gear leaver (lost the windscreen attachment) I explained I wasn't on the phone etc. I was breathalised, blew zero, and let on my way. Didn't ask my name, no insurance check, no licence check, didn't even ask if it was my car!
Perfectly polite police office, but a lack of checks did seem a bit strange!
Surely if you drive without a licence, then you're not actually insured anyway when the faeces hit the air cooling device. No insurance company is going to pay out and back a customer who hasn't fulfiled the basic requirement of having a driving licence. In fact insurance companies always ask how long you've had it so can calculate the premium correctly. Lying here also invalidates insurance.
If the OP's story is true, then there has been some serious incompetence from the officer who pulled him over, and he still hasn't gotten the message that driving legally required the whole package, not a token MoT and third party policy.
If the OP's story is true, then there has been some serious incompetence from the officer who pulled him over, and he still hasn't gotten the message that driving legally required the whole package, not a token MoT and third party policy.
How are those circumstances proof that the awareness courses are 'cash cows'?
Given that, in many areas, speed awareness courses are cheaper than a fine and require staff and a venue to provide them, I am not sure how they could be more cash generative than merely fining the speeding drivers.
In a nutshell, I think your talking b
ks.
Given that, in many areas, speed awareness courses are cheaper than a fine and require staff and a venue to provide them, I am not sure how they could be more cash generative than merely fining the speeding drivers.
In a nutshell, I think your talking b
ks.johnfm said:
How are those circumstances proof that the awareness courses are 'cash cows'?
Given that, in many areas, speed awareness courses are cheaper than a fine and require staff and a venue to provide them, I am not sure how they could be more cash generative than merely fining the speeding drivers.
In a nutshell, I think your talking bks.
If you read the thread it has been clarified that he meant 'phone' not 'proof'.Given that, in many areas, speed awareness courses are cheaper than a fine and require staff and a venue to provide them, I am not sure how they could be more cash generative than merely fining the speeding drivers.
In a nutshell, I think your talking b
ks.However, I think you're right. It is a load of b
ks IMO but if any of it were shown to be true, then I would struggle to decide who is the bigger moron, the OP or his mate.For consideration here is the wording copied verbatim from the confirmation email sent out once you have booked your course:
Please bring the following on the day of the course:
Original Driving Licence (see below)
Photographic Identification (see below)
Reading glasses and hearing aid (if appropriate)
You must bring your original driving licence with you to the course, a photocopy will not be accepted. Please note that both parts of the Photocard licence MUST be produced. If you do not have a new style Photocard licence, you must also bringphotograph ID with you to the course i.e. passport in addition the old style paper licence. You will not be able to take part if you do not have your full licence including photo identification with you and your fee will not be refunded.
If you hold a non-European driving licence you must bring your passport and any other appropriate documents showing proof of entry into the UK.
I don't think this is the full or accurate story and I claim my £5.
Please bring the following on the day of the course:
Original Driving Licence (see below)
Photographic Identification (see below)
Reading glasses and hearing aid (if appropriate)
You must bring your original driving licence with you to the course, a photocopy will not be accepted. Please note that both parts of the Photocard licence MUST be produced. If you do not have a new style Photocard licence, you must also bringphotograph ID with you to the course i.e. passport in addition the old style paper licence. You will not be able to take part if you do not have your full licence including photo identification with you and your fee will not be refunded.
If you hold a non-European driving licence you must bring your passport and any other appropriate documents showing proof of entry into the UK.
I don't think this is the full or accurate story and I claim my £5.
Edited by Phil303 on Friday 12th December 23:24
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