Appraisal time (salary negotiation)

[Vyse]

Thanks for the help guys. I'll update the thread in due course.

[Podie]

Vyse, you're getting good advice on this thread, listen to what people are saying.

The missus has aid "why are you only 80% competent?" It's a fair point. What happened to the remaining 2 out of 10? Are you slacking, or are you not good enough?

Prove you are worth the money, evidence that you have achieved for the company (rather than giving yourself a rating out of ten!) and give them a REASON why they should pay you more.

[Pit Pony]

My mum used to be in personnel when they still had salary increments. Her opinion of appraisals is
a) you can do the job you are being paid to do. So you'll get paid the rate they set, with your yearly increment.
b) You Can't do the job you are paid to do, so we need to fix you or your manager so you can, or get rid of one of either you or the manager.
c) You are doing more than the job you are paid to do, and should be marked out for future promotion. At which point you should get a pay rise for the new grade.

Unfortunately all this new fashion of performance related pay, fked a perfectly good system, and now we have people who can just about do their current job, wanting promotion because they NEED it. Because there are no increments, and we have people who are good at their job, but would be useless if promoted, leaving because if you haven't got the skill to negotiate a pay rise, then the easiest way to get one is job hop.

So glad that I now only do freelance. What's the rate ? It's either too low, or good enough and I'll apply.

[Podie]

Ah yes, the Peter principle....

[Lostprophet]

I have a similar issue.

I am on £55k plus bonus without benefits. Similar jobs pay £60-70k plus benefits and bonus. I think I can get a similar job for £60-65k plus benefits and bonus.

I flagged this yesterday at my review. I got a 'good' rating in my performance review with a 15% bonus and 1pc pay rise (lol). I said the salary is not market rate.

My boss said can this wait till next years appraisal or are you saying to me you will leave unless you get a pay rise. ???!!

I think I need to stick it out for another 2 years to get this position under my belt then I can definitely aim for a £65-70k job. I might have to take a hit for the next 2 years to better place me in my next job.

I would prefer to get a £5-7k pay rise though. There's not a lot I can do to be honest I think.

[Pit Pony]

Podie said:

Ah yes, the Peter principle....

Unfortunately I reached my peak in 1977, at the age of 10, and have been blagging and Bullstting my way through life since then. I have occasional episodes of brilliance, and enthusiasm, but most of the time my mediocrity shines through. Recently my good looks have start to wane, so I'm having to use charm, smoke and mirrors to impress.

[anonymous-user]

Vyse said:

So a bit of background on my job. Ive had the job for a couple of years now and have actually enjoyed my time there. Appraisals are coming up soon which coincide with the company getting an injection of investment funds. Company wise, I'd say we actually had a good year.

Originally when I was accepted for the job I was placed on a a noobie salary. This was fine at the time as I was fresh out of uni. After doing some research the industry average for my position is around £25,000. I am currently on two thirds of that. I guess if I were to rate myself out of 10 over the 24 months I probably give myself a 7.5-8 score.

I am kind of unsure about whether I should be asking for a review of my salary. Probably because Ive never had to do one before. Although I do think it would be a good opportunity too ask for one seeing as the appraisals are nearing.

Could you guys please give me some advice, if you were in my position what would you be doing etc?

Many thanks

c16-17k for 2 yr post graduation. Screw that, we pay our interns about 25-30% more than that

[toon10]

The last time I asked for a pay review (above and beyond our usual infaltion rise) I did a lot of preperation. I took in a document which showed each of my annual targets listed with 100% complete and incluiding supporting evidence. I also listed the extra things above and beyond my targets with evidence.

I had done a management course in my own time as I'd taken on management responsibilities. I had to include my certificate but also a letter of commendation from the college. Once my boss and HR had seen all my supporting evidence it was difficult for them not to give me a better rise. I've not worked that hard in a few years but to be fair, I've not asked for anything more either.

[SamR380]

Pit Pony said:

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You have 2 options.

a) Get ready to leave.
b) Shut up and put up.

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I used to work (very hard) for a small engineering firm who would only take you seriously when you handed your notice in. Start looking for jobs, go for interviews, get some other offers.

[AyBee]

All depends how much under market your current salary is, how much they value you and how much you're prepared to walk if you don't get what you want. I had a similar scenario, told my boss (a long time before my review) that £Xk was where market was for someone of my experience and got a 50% payrise out of it. If you don't ask, you don't get, but I only asked because I was a long way under where market was and I was prepared to leave if I didn't get a positive response, if it had only been 5-10% under, I don't think I'd have bothered because it's not something you can get away with yearly.

[Pit Pony]

wsurfa said:

c16-17k for 2 yr post graduation. Screw that, we pay our interns about 25-30% more than that

My sons getting £19K on his industry year, but that does include a London weighting.

[anonymous-user]

Pit Pony said:

wsurfa said:

c16-17k for 2 yr post graduation. Screw that, we pay our interns about 25-30% more than that

My sons getting £19K on his industry year, but that does include a London weighting.

Good to see. It is a bit annoying, especially if the positions are effectively the same as any other jnr role, that many companies use it as an excuse to underpay.

[Pit Pony]

wsurfa said:

Pit Pony said:

wsurfa said:

c16-17k for 2 yr post graduation. Screw that, we pay our interns about 25-30% more than that

My sons getting £19K on his industry year, but that does include a London weighting.

Good to see. It is a bit annoying, especially if the positions are effectively the same as any other jnr role, that many companies use it as an excuse to underpay.

I did ask him what the difference between his "usefulness" and those staff that have been there 2 or 3 years was, and he basically believes that when it comes to understanding the chemistry, he's on equal terms. The only real difference is that his Chemical Research is being reviewed in more detail, as his final report goes towards his final Grade, plus he has additional work to do in addition to his 40 hours because he has do a couple of study modules with exams in May, which means that he's not got much spare time to apply for graduate jobs, before the closing dates close.