Clueless about how to get licenced.

Clueless about how to get licenced.

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mini1380cc

Original Poster:

2,944 posts

170 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Looking for some help here from fellow PH'ers. I wanting to get a 125cc on L plates but the DVLA website isn't all that clear on what I personally need to do.

I'm 31 years old with Full UK driving licence. Because i passed my driving test just after February 2001 i'm not automatically allowed to jump on a 125, I need to do CBT first. In order to get a CBT i need a provisional. So my question:

When applying for the provisional it treats me like i have no licence at all, so how will they tie up the fact that my bike pro license should be added to my existing licence. Do i need to send my current license away or will i end up with two licenses?

Should i be disregarding the fact that i have a driving licence?

Cheers

trickywoo

11,705 posts

229 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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You don't need a provisional.

Just turn up at any CBT trainer and book a test with your car licence.

Before anyone else says you won't have much fun on a 125 for very long so you may as well book your DAS at the same time.

powerstans

353 posts

196 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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No provisional licence required. If you have a full car licence just find a local training centre and book a CBT.

Its a 1 day course usually about £130 including bike hire (as long as you have some apptitude)

If you pass you can ride a 125 on L plates for 2 years untill you have to retake the course.

Most centres can lend you gloves, helmet and jacket. Your only decision then is geared or twist and go.


thatdude

2,654 posts

126 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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125's are a giggle but only for a short amount of time before you start to want more power (they are fine up to 60 mph mostly). Not a bad idea to buy a 125 and get riding, as this will get you smooth and comfortable on a bike and avoid silly rookie mistakes during your test.

Get your CBT done, then get your theory test booked and done and have your DAS training ready to go. As far as I understand it, the test itself is split across two tests; the Mod 1 (is that some sort of maneuvers in a paved arena?) and then Mod 2 (the road ride?).

Local training school should make it all clear on this for you.

[edit] cbt and theory test are valid for two years only, from the date of passing.



Edited by thatdude on Wednesday 17th December 14:45

powerstans

353 posts

196 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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The auto licence thing pre 2001 only applies to 50cc mopeds and not 125cc scooters (i believe). No matter what your age if you want to ride a 125 on L plates and you dont have a bike licence you need a CBT.


If you want to go the whole way at your age the DAS route is basicly:

CBT (all you need for 125 on L plates)

Theory Test at government test centre with hazard perception test. (Video guess the danger clips)

MOD 1 (low speed manouvering, emergency stop and swerve test) at test centre (no road riding required).
MOD 2 (road ride followed by examiner).

Pass these all and you can ride anything (common sence would suggest a progressive build up of power as you skill develops, but other on here have gone directly to the psycho nutter option of 1000+cc sports super bike).

The only time you part with your licence is when you pass the MOD 2 when the examiner sends it off for updating to include the bike catagory.

If you want to go to full licence local training school will do it all for you (ususally except booking the theory test) and at this time of year you should be able to get a winter bargain.

Work on £120 - £130 for CT, £35 for Theory, and £600 for DAS MOD's 1 and 2 and you wouldn't be far off.

Advantages of passing DAS are never having to retake the CBT, riding anysize bike, being able to use motorways and being able to carry pillions.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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thopse saying ' no provisional required' obviously aren't very good at looking or reading - the counterpart to your licence includes provisional entitlements and anyone applying for a car provisional or passing a car test in the last 20 + years gets provisional cat A as well .

the choice subsequently depends on your age etc with the current multiple layers of restrictions on what you can ride once you've passed - unsupervised learner riding is simple 125 and that's it , the larger learner bikes for the current versions of DAS are only allowed when you are out with an instructor.

trickywoo

11,705 posts

229 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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mph1977 said:
thopse saying ' no provisional required' obviously aren't very good at looking or reading
Neither are you wink OP says he has a full UK car licence but is still trying to get a provisional for a bike. We are saying he doesn't need to worry as he already has entitlement to book a CBT.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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trickywoo said:
mph1977 said:
thopse saying ' no provisional required' obviously aren't very good at looking or reading
Neither are you wink OP says he has a full UK car licence but is still trying to get a provisional for a bike. We are saying he doesn't need to worry as he already has entitlement to book a CBT.
a full UK car licence includes cat A provisional

i'll say it again

a full UK car licence includes cat A provisional

and again

a full UK car licence includes cat A provisional

do i need to come and beat you over the head with a can of red bull or a sauage hammer ?

trickywoo

11,705 posts

229 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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mph1977 said:
a full UK car licence includes cat A provisional

i'll say it again

a full UK car licence includes cat A provisional

and again

a full UK car licence includes cat A provisional

do i need to come and beat you over the head with a can of red bull or a sauage hammer ?
He still needs to do a CBT.

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say but perhaps lay off the caffeine?

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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trickywoo said:
mph1977 said:
a full UK car licence includes cat A provisional

i'll say it again

a full UK car licence includes cat A provisional

and again

a full UK car licence includes cat A provisional

do i need to come and beat you over the head with a can of red bull or a sauage hammer ?
He still needs to do a CBT.

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say but perhaps lay off the caffeine?
if you have a Uk cat B licence you have cat A provisional , however it isn't active unless you have a CBT... it;s not hard.

The statement you don't need a provsional to take a CBT is completely incorrect.

mini1380cc

Original Poster:

2,944 posts

170 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Thanks guys all very helpful. I'm limited to 125 at the moment until i convince my girlfriend i wont go crashing through the pearly gates, which given my car history is quite possible. Its only to commute through Edinburgh at this stage anyway.... that is until the bug bites.


Anyone bought a 600cc then used a heat gun to take off the stickers in a vain attempt at convincing your other half you still have a 125? smile

mini1380cc

Original Poster:

2,944 posts

170 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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For those arguing over the Cat A Cat B thing...... this is why i was unsure. My license on the back only has:


B
B1
fkp


Whereas my old friends which passed pre Feb 2001 have Cat A on theirs.

trickywoo

11,705 posts

229 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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mph1977 said:
if you have a Uk cat B licence you have cat A provisional , however it isn't active unless you have a CBT... it;s not hard.

The statement you don't need a provsional to take a CBT is completely incorrect.
Its true what they say about arguing with an idiot.rofl

We are saying OP doesn't need to concern himself with trying to get a provisional as he already has one. Which is very different from saying he doesn't need one full stop. No one has said you don't need a provisional to take a CBT. Everyone has answered OP directly where he stated he had a full UK car licence. It's not hard.

myvision

1,931 posts

135 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Where do I start then I passed in 1993 and have catergory A provisional can I just do the Direct Access course as is shown here.

http://www.themotorbikelessons.co.uk/direct-access...


jcelee

1,039 posts

243 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Irrespective of when you passed your test, you will need to do a CBT and pass the Motorcycle Theory Test prior to taking a Module 1 - Off-road Manoeuvres test (about 10 minutes manual handling of a bike, slalom, figure of 8, slow controlled ride, controlled stop, emergency stop from 50kph (about 32mph) and swerve also from 50kph. Once you have a Module 1 pass certificate you can then do Module 2 - approx 40 minute road riding test. Providing you take both tests on a 600cc bike with enough power then you will get a full license to ride anything. Younger riders (below 24) can take the tests on lower powered bikes to get licenses to ride those.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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myvision said:
Where do I start then I passed in 1993 and have catergory A provisional can I just do the Direct Access course as is shown here.

http://www.themotorbikelessons.co.uk/direct-access...
does it include a CBT ? if not you need to do a CBT before the DA course

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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mini1380cc said:
Thanks guys all very helpful. I'm limited to 125 at the moment until i convince my girlfriend i wont go crashing through the pearly gates, which given my car history is quite possible. Its only to commute through Edinburgh at this stage anyway.... that is until the bug bites.


Anyone bought a 600cc then used a heat gun to take off the stickers in a vain attempt at convincing your other half you still have a 125? smile
Would she even be tell the difference anyway?

Projectx

108 posts

162 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Why does the das mod 1 and mod 2 test cost so much more than the cbt? Over how many days does it take on average to pass the das?

Ed.

2,172 posts

237 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Projectx said:
Why does the das mod 1 and mod 2 test cost so much more than the cbt? Over how many days does it take on average to pass the das?
CBT is the bare minimum to go on the roads and can be done in less than a day, DAS can take a further 3+ days.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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mini1380cc said:
For those arguing over the Cat A Cat B thing...... this is why i was unsure. My license on the back only has:


B
B1
fkp


Whereas my old friends which passed pre Feb 2001 have Cat A on theirs.
1. you have a licence not a license

2. provisional entitlement is listed on the COUNTERPART

3. A(79) represents the EU classification of trikes as a type of motorcycle where the UK classified them as cars for a long time ( although at one time they were classed as motorcycles for licencing purposes - hence the reason reliants lasted so long )