F1: Life on the Limit

F1: Life on the Limit

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Megaflow

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9,347 posts

224 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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I have just caught up and see this. Wow... Makes you appreciate what F1 was like and why it had to change under the guidance of Bernie.

Truly great film.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Are you giving Bernie credit for safety improvements?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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I imagine so, and quite rightly in some respects.


Megaflow

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224 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Eric Mc said:
Are you giving Bernie credit for safety improvements?
In some respects, yes. Such as mandating F1's own Doctor and when race organising wouldn't allow the Dr into race control, threatening to pull the race.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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He does deserve SOME credit - but he was one of only a number of factors that brought about changes to safety over 4 decades or so - tarting around 1968.

DrDeAtH

3,586 posts

231 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Sir Jackie Stewart was one of the original campaigners for increased track safety.

Megaflow

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224 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Eric Mc said:
He does deserve SOME credit - but he was one of only a number of factors that brought about changes to safety over 4 decades or so - tarting around 1968.
I am not a Bernie fan, he did some good once, but he needs to move on now. I am not saying he had any impact on to the car improvements or even the circuits. But to see how laughable medical facilities were before he took the commercial rights over in the end of 1976 was truly shocking.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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DrDeAtH said:
Sir Jackie Stewart was one of the original campaigners for increased track safety.
Really? You'd never know as he never seems to mention it.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
DrDeAtH said:
Sir Jackie Stewart was one of the original campaigners for increased track safety.
Really? You'd never know as he never seems to mention it.
exactly!

not suggesting he did not push the cause along a lot, but to try and suggest nobody else was doing anything is somewhat disingenuous.

Berni did a lot back then, most of which is not that obvious or public, he still does a lot today, but it all just get's done, and people focus on him being a rich old man.

It's not an understatement to say that without Berni and his organisation, F1 would just collapse, just about every part of the logistics is managed by him just for starters, you think stuff just arrives at the ccts by some fluke?


Megaflow

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Thursday 18th December 2014
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
DrDeAtH said:
Sir Jackie Stewart was one of the original campaigners for increased track safety.
Really? You'd never know as he never seems to mention it.
rofl

I used to like Jackie Stewart, but his insistance of sticking his oar into anything F1 related is really starting to jar.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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He wasn't a very pleasant person, but these days one man who receives virtually no recognition for safety improvements is Louis Stanley.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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Eric Mc said:
He wasn't a very pleasant person, but these days one man who receives virtually no recognition for safety improvements is Louis Stanley.
should hope not, the allegations of sexual abuse perpetrated by him are quite horrific.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Thursday 18th December 2014
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Yes - he was not a nice bloke.

But he was the first to make some moves towards improving medical facilities at circuits.

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Megaflow said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
DrDeAtH said:
Sir Jackie Stewart was one of the original campaigners for increased track safety.
Really? You'd never know as he never seems to mention it.
rofl

I used to like Jackie Stewart, but his insistence of sticking his oar into anything F1 related is really starting to jar.
What should he be sticking his oar into, if not F1 related anythings? I think he earnt the right to bang on about about his efforts to improve safety, given what he did and risked to achieve things when it was deeply uncool because it mattered, certainly much more than a some other bandwagoners like spanky who's self promoting safety came when it was easier and trendier and only when he thought he'd bask in the glory of his holier than thou crusade. Jackie might have an opinion on everything but it's often a though provoking one and he ain't afraid to rattle a few cages.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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There's a fine line between pushing a cause and blowing ones own trumpet.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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JYS was one of my favourite racers in his day. I read his book a few years back but had to give up once it degenerated into a name dropping eulogy to the powerful and royal, which his later life seemed to exist around.

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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REALIST123 said:
JYS was one of my favourite racers in his day. I read his book a few years back but had to give up once it degenerated into a name dropping eulogy to the powerful and royal, which his later life seemed to exist around.
Yes, I kind of skipped over those bits as well. But I'm prepared to cut him some slack.

kiseca

9,339 posts

218 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Megaflow said:
Eric Mc said:
He does deserve SOME credit - but he was one of only a number of factors that brought about changes to safety over 4 decades or so - tarting around 1968.
I am not a Bernie fan, he did some good once, but he needs to move on now. I am not saying he had any impact on to the car improvements or even the circuits. But to see how laughable medical facilities were before he took the commercial rights over in the end of 1976 was truly shocking.
Have you seenthe documentary, Eric? It does paint a different picture on safety than I had put together from conventional sources. For instance it paints the 1976 Fuji GP as being hugely influential to safety, because it was the start of televised races. Bernie's deal meant every race from that one was going to be televised, or something close to that. And since people love seeing crashes but don't like seeing death they couldn't carry on with the death rate as it was at the time if all the races were going to be on telly.

So that deal was a big driver in making things happen, the rest is the story of what they did to improve things.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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There were plenty of televised races before 1976. But the first formal TV agreement between F1 and the TV companies was around 1977 or so. The first season that EVERY F1 race was shown on BBC was in 1978. The first season that EVERY F1 race was shown live in the UK was 1996.

It is probably true that having more televised races helped improve safety - but that was more a byproduct of the TV deal rather than through any one decision to improve safety.

Bernie was more concerned that races started at the advertised time - so it didn't upset the TV schedulers.

kiseca

9,339 posts

218 months

Saturday 20th December 2014
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Whether or not it's true, this movie certainly placed a great deal of credit at its doorstep.