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I have a 360 Spider at the moment, owned it for 4 years and I do love it but now seriously considering a 599.
They seem pretty good value at the moment (as much as £100k can be called value)
What are the major issues to look out for with these, I'd be looking at a 5 year old car?
thanks
They seem pretty good value at the moment (as much as £100k can be called value)
What are the major issues to look out for with these, I'd be looking at a 5 year old car?
thanks
I have recently gone through the same process, looked at 430, 599, and Gallardo.
ended up buying the Gallardo LP as it was the only car that gave the wow factor.
I really fancied the V12 and at around 75-80 level I dont think you can go wrong to be honest, I looked at a few and the build quality and materials used seem to be in a different league to the other models.
In my research I didnt come up with any negatives other than the normal ball joint issues and stuff.
TFC (who must be local to you)do well with 599's and have a couple currently, the black 10k one is actually the owners, the other 28k from memory car looks value but not seen that car as it only came in last week, red interior car was mint with low miles.
ended up buying the Gallardo LP as it was the only car that gave the wow factor.
I really fancied the V12 and at around 75-80 level I dont think you can go wrong to be honest, I looked at a few and the build quality and materials used seem to be in a different league to the other models.
In my research I didnt come up with any negatives other than the normal ball joint issues and stuff.
TFC (who must be local to you)do well with 599's and have a couple currently, the black 10k one is actually the owners, the other 28k from memory car looks value but not seen that car as it only came in last week, red interior car was mint with low miles.
I had a 360 spider in Rosso with manual box and Race seats which was a nice spec. Now I have a 2007 599 which is in another league to the 360 and 430 in terms of build quality, ride and performance. I keep my car usually 3-6 months and change the 599 is tempting to keep longer as I think values are slowly creeping as will most Ferraris currently.
I had a pre purchase inspection done by Shiltech on mine and they said they are generally bullet proof. They have only ever had 599s in for ball joints and niggly warning light problem caused by low batteries and people rushing the start up procedure. I also just took mine in for a Free winter health check Graypaul were offering with free Ferrari assistance for 12 months and they said similar. I work in the trade mainly selling 911s but have sold a few F430's and was considering one and a 458 until I drove a 599. In terms of value they are epic. Mine was something like £228k new. Compared to the Ferrari you will notice a huge jump in the amount of fuel it uses... BUT the performance is mind blowing it is easily the fastest car I have owned, had an R8 V10, couple of tuned R35 GTRs.
Interior is just a great place to be for long and short journeys, the cabin feels so roomy, The noise when the valves open is sublime and it looks gorgeous from all angles. I think things like clutches can be very expensive and watch for Ceramics when I was looking a few had Ceramic replacement likes on. You are looking around £10-12k for new ceramics. It all depends how they have been driven it was a fairly old guy that had mine before and at 22,000 miles mine only had 12% brake wear and 19% clutch wear yet some I looked at had needed replacements at sub 20K! Always buy on condition and maintenance pedigree over mileage.
I may considering selling in the new year if I can decide what to try next so drop me a PM if your interested or want any other 599 advice as I did much research before buying.
I had a pre purchase inspection done by Shiltech on mine and they said they are generally bullet proof. They have only ever had 599s in for ball joints and niggly warning light problem caused by low batteries and people rushing the start up procedure. I also just took mine in for a Free winter health check Graypaul were offering with free Ferrari assistance for 12 months and they said similar. I work in the trade mainly selling 911s but have sold a few F430's and was considering one and a 458 until I drove a 599. In terms of value they are epic. Mine was something like £228k new. Compared to the Ferrari you will notice a huge jump in the amount of fuel it uses... BUT the performance is mind blowing it is easily the fastest car I have owned, had an R8 V10, couple of tuned R35 GTRs.
Interior is just a great place to be for long and short journeys, the cabin feels so roomy, The noise when the valves open is sublime and it looks gorgeous from all angles. I think things like clutches can be very expensive and watch for Ceramics when I was looking a few had Ceramic replacement likes on. You are looking around £10-12k for new ceramics. It all depends how they have been driven it was a fairly old guy that had mine before and at 22,000 miles mine only had 12% brake wear and 19% clutch wear yet some I looked at had needed replacements at sub 20K! Always buy on condition and maintenance pedigree over mileage.
I may considering selling in the new year if I can decide what to try next so drop me a PM if your interested or want any other 599 advice as I did much research before buying.
Thankyou4calling said:
I have a 360 Spider at the moment, owned it for 4 years and I do love it but now seriously considering a 599.
They seem pretty good value at the moment (as much as £100k can be called value)
What are the major issues to look out for with these, I'd be looking at a 5 year old car?
thanks
I hear they all have holes in their fuel tanks - glug glug glug They seem pretty good value at the moment (as much as £100k can be called value)
What are the major issues to look out for with these, I'd be looking at a 5 year old car?
thanks
Seriously nice cars though...Beautiful cars and for Ferrari well put together. Build quality is certainly a lot better than F430 and 360 for sure, probably on par with 458 which is very good anyway.
A bit to big and heavy for me personally but a fantastic GT cruiser rather than outright sports car.
And yes the fuel indicator goes down as quick as the rev counter goes up. Buying one isn't an issue as they are brilliant value for money but driving one lots of miles will be expensive
A bit to big and heavy for me personally but a fantastic GT cruiser rather than outright sports car.
And yes the fuel indicator goes down as quick as the rev counter goes up. Buying one isn't an issue as they are brilliant value for money but driving one lots of miles will be expensive
I looked at a 599 in summer and the rear Ceramics were shot - I assume the guy took it on track or some slippery surface and did not switch off TC.
The other thing was that Ferrari Germany said only cars with full Ferrari service history are eligible for applying for (the ridiculously expensive) warranty (and I think the 599 needs an annual service irrespective of mileage which a lot of cars were missing in some years).
Brakes, clutch and dampers (I think they can't be rebuilt) were the expensive items I can remember looking into.
Anyways, at the time I did some research and found this company doing ceramic disc refurbishment - have not tried them, but if it works, then it is a much cheaper solution that replacing discs.
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
The other thing was that Ferrari Germany said only cars with full Ferrari service history are eligible for applying for (the ridiculously expensive) warranty (and I think the 599 needs an annual service irrespective of mileage which a lot of cars were missing in some years).
Brakes, clutch and dampers (I think they can't be rebuilt) were the expensive items I can remember looking into.
Anyways, at the time I did some research and found this company doing ceramic disc refurbishment - have not tried them, but if it works, then it is a much cheaper solution that replacing discs.
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
MDahmen said:
I
Anyways, at the time I did some research and found this company doing ceramic disc refurbishment - have not tried them, but if it works, then it is a much cheaper solution that replacing discs.
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
Unfortunately this would not work, Ferrari are clever in that if the Ceramic wear indicator comes on it can't just be reset. 4 New Ceramics must be purchased which have a code on the box which has to be put in whilst setting up the new brakes. The car I looked at first needed new ceramics and Graypaul wanted £9k plus VATAnyways, at the time I did some research and found this company doing ceramic disc refurbishment - have not tried them, but if it works, then it is a much cheaper solution that replacing discs.
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
tranter5 said:
MDahmen said:
I
Anyways, at the time I did some research and found this company doing ceramic disc refurbishment - have not tried them, but if it works, then it is a much cheaper solution that replacing discs.
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
Unfortunately this would not work, Ferrari are clever in that if the Ceramic wear indicator comes on it can't just be reset. 4 New Ceramics must be purchased which have a code on the box which has to be put in whilst setting up the new brakes. The car I looked at first needed new ceramics and Graypaul wanted £9k plus VATAnyways, at the time I did some research and found this company doing ceramic disc refurbishment - have not tried them, but if it works, then it is a much cheaper solution that replacing discs.
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
TISPKJ said:
I have recently gone through the same process, looked at 430, 599, and Gallardo.
ended up buying the Gallardo LP as it was the only car that gave the wow factor.
I really fancied the V12 and at around 75-80 level I dont think you can go wrong to be honest, I looked at a few and the build quality and materials used seem to be in a different league to the other models.
In my research I didnt come up with any negatives other than the normal ball joint issues and stuff.
TFC (who must be local to you)do well with 599's and have a couple currently, the black 10k one is actually the owners, the other 28k from memory car looks value but not seen that car as it only came in last week, red interior car was mint with low miles.
Thanks.ended up buying the Gallardo LP as it was the only car that gave the wow factor.
I really fancied the V12 and at around 75-80 level I dont think you can go wrong to be honest, I looked at a few and the build quality and materials used seem to be in a different league to the other models.
In my research I didnt come up with any negatives other than the normal ball joint issues and stuff.
TFC (who must be local to you)do well with 599's and have a couple currently, the black 10k one is actually the owners, the other 28k from memory car looks value but not seen that car as it only came in last week, red interior car was mint with low miles.
Where/Who are TFC please.
Simply awesome cars!!!
Had mine 4 months and every trip is an event.
Always positively received and lots of friendly comments / thumbs up from onlookers.
Big (huge) and yes technically heavy, but having looked at 5 no. F430s and driven two, one drive in a 599 confirmed to me it's the one to have (unless you're a track day warrior perhaps??). More steering feel, definitely faster in a straight line and such a great place to be.
The noise is amazing, even with standard exhaust.
If I won the lottery it would be my daily drive.
There are some tatty examples out there, even at franchised dealerships so if it doesn't look like new, go look at another!! Even the disc brake bolts are shinny on my 08 model (9,400 miles and 18% clutch and brake wear)
Best car I've had (996 GT3, V10 R8, R500, etc)
Track rod ends and ball joints were the things to be expectant of, test every button and switch too.
Check clutch and brake wear at last service.
As said, most aren't serviced annually (should be) but some may only do a couple of hundred miles some years so skip a service. Took me a while to accept this was typical after years of owning German cars.
It appears price is very interior colour sensitive - avoid tan and grey ? I have rosso, would never have considered it based on photos but you need to see it in the flesh, gorgeous, and black with black was just too bland.
Mileage costs 0.5 - 1.0% per thousand, say £750 per extra 1,000 on the clock.
Age say £5 k per year???
Some prices are rising, some are dropping (tan interiors!!).
Red and creme appears popular as always on Ferraris, but I'm not a fan personally as it makes the car look as big as it actually is (did I mention, huge).
Sat nav useless, full electric Daytona leather seats, extended leather and monolithic wheels very popular. Wing shields essential.
It's thirsty for sure but everything else makes that irrelevant, it's the only car I haven't bothered to work out the mpg for !!
I doubt you'd regret it, go try one - a gentleman's supercar rather than a boy racers toy??
PM me for anything further - check the size of your garage it's like parking up a 4 foot tall range rover.
An appreciating future classic V12 ??? I'll let you know :-)
Had mine 4 months and every trip is an event.
Always positively received and lots of friendly comments / thumbs up from onlookers.
Big (huge) and yes technically heavy, but having looked at 5 no. F430s and driven two, one drive in a 599 confirmed to me it's the one to have (unless you're a track day warrior perhaps??). More steering feel, definitely faster in a straight line and such a great place to be.
The noise is amazing, even with standard exhaust.
If I won the lottery it would be my daily drive.
There are some tatty examples out there, even at franchised dealerships so if it doesn't look like new, go look at another!! Even the disc brake bolts are shinny on my 08 model (9,400 miles and 18% clutch and brake wear)
Best car I've had (996 GT3, V10 R8, R500, etc)
Track rod ends and ball joints were the things to be expectant of, test every button and switch too.
Check clutch and brake wear at last service.
As said, most aren't serviced annually (should be) but some may only do a couple of hundred miles some years so skip a service. Took me a while to accept this was typical after years of owning German cars.
It appears price is very interior colour sensitive - avoid tan and grey ? I have rosso, would never have considered it based on photos but you need to see it in the flesh, gorgeous, and black with black was just too bland.
Mileage costs 0.5 - 1.0% per thousand, say £750 per extra 1,000 on the clock.
Age say £5 k per year???
Some prices are rising, some are dropping (tan interiors!!).
Red and creme appears popular as always on Ferraris, but I'm not a fan personally as it makes the car look as big as it actually is (did I mention, huge).
Sat nav useless, full electric Daytona leather seats, extended leather and monolithic wheels very popular. Wing shields essential.
It's thirsty for sure but everything else makes that irrelevant, it's the only car I haven't bothered to work out the mpg for !!
I doubt you'd regret it, go try one - a gentleman's supercar rather than a boy racers toy??
PM me for anything further - check the size of your garage it's like parking up a 4 foot tall range rover.
An appreciating future classic V12 ??? I'll let you know :-)
TVR4500cc said:
Simply awesome cars!!!
Had mine 4 months and every trip is an event.
Always positively received and lots of friendly comments / thumbs up from onlookers.
Big (huge) and yes technically heavy, but having looked at 5 no. F430s and driven two, one drive in a 599 confirmed to me it's the one to have (unless you're a track day warrior perhaps??). More steering feel, definitely faster in a straight line and such a great place to be.
The noise is amazing, even with standard exhaust.
If I won the lottery it would be my daily drive.
There are some tatty examples out there, even at franchised dealerships so if it doesn't look like new, go look at another!! Even the disc brake bolts are shinny on my 08 model (9,400 miles and 18% clutch and brake wear)
Best car I've had (996 GT3, V10 R8, R500, etc)
Track rod ends and ball joints were the things to be expectant of, test every button and switch too.
Check clutch and brake wear at last service.
As said, most aren't serviced annually (should be) but some may only do a couple of hundred miles some years so skip a service. Took me a while to accept this was typical after years of owning German cars.
It appears price is very interior colour sensitive - avoid tan and grey ? I have rosso, would never have considered it based on photos but you need to see it in the flesh, gorgeous, and black with black was just too bland.
Mileage costs 0.5 - 1.0% per thousand, say £750 per extra 1,000 on the clock.
Age say £5 k per year???
Some prices are rising, some are dropping (tan interiors!!).
Red and creme appears popular as always on Ferraris, but I'm not a fan personally as it makes the car look as big as it actually is (did I mention, huge).
Sat nav useless, full electric Daytona leather seats, extended leather and monolithic wheels very popular. Wing shields essential.
It's thirsty for sure but everything else makes that irrelevant, it's the only car I haven't bothered to work out the mpg for !!
I doubt you'd regret it, go try one - a gentleman's supercar rather than a boy racers toy??
PM me for anything further - check the size of your garage it's like parking up a 4 foot tall range rover.
An appreciating future classic V12 ??? I'll let you know :-)
Thanks for the info.Had mine 4 months and every trip is an event.
Always positively received and lots of friendly comments / thumbs up from onlookers.
Big (huge) and yes technically heavy, but having looked at 5 no. F430s and driven two, one drive in a 599 confirmed to me it's the one to have (unless you're a track day warrior perhaps??). More steering feel, definitely faster in a straight line and such a great place to be.
The noise is amazing, even with standard exhaust.
If I won the lottery it would be my daily drive.
There are some tatty examples out there, even at franchised dealerships so if it doesn't look like new, go look at another!! Even the disc brake bolts are shinny on my 08 model (9,400 miles and 18% clutch and brake wear)
Best car I've had (996 GT3, V10 R8, R500, etc)
Track rod ends and ball joints were the things to be expectant of, test every button and switch too.
Check clutch and brake wear at last service.
As said, most aren't serviced annually (should be) but some may only do a couple of hundred miles some years so skip a service. Took me a while to accept this was typical after years of owning German cars.
It appears price is very interior colour sensitive - avoid tan and grey ? I have rosso, would never have considered it based on photos but you need to see it in the flesh, gorgeous, and black with black was just too bland.
Mileage costs 0.5 - 1.0% per thousand, say £750 per extra 1,000 on the clock.
Age say £5 k per year???
Some prices are rising, some are dropping (tan interiors!!).
Red and creme appears popular as always on Ferraris, but I'm not a fan personally as it makes the car look as big as it actually is (did I mention, huge).
Sat nav useless, full electric Daytona leather seats, extended leather and monolithic wheels very popular. Wing shields essential.
It's thirsty for sure but everything else makes that irrelevant, it's the only car I haven't bothered to work out the mpg for !!
I doubt you'd regret it, go try one - a gentleman's supercar rather than a boy racers toy??
PM me for anything further - check the size of your garage it's like parking up a 4 foot tall range rover.
An appreciating future classic V12 ??? I'll let you know :-)
And tranter5's post confirms the tightness in the garage.
I love the colour of the grey 599 on autotrader and as you say, wheels can change the look of the car.
What exhaust options are there?
Thankyou4calling said:
TISPKJ said:
I have recently gone through the same process, looked at 430, 599, and Gallardo.
ended up buying the Gallardo LP as it was the only car that gave the wow factor.
I really fancied the V12 and at around 75-80 level I dont think you can go wrong to be honest, I looked at a few and the build quality and materials used seem to be in a different league to the other models.
In my research I didnt come up with any negatives other than the normal ball joint issues and stuff.
TFC (who must be local to you)do well with 599's and have a couple currently, the black 10k one is actually the owners, the other 28k from memory car looks value but not seen that car as it only came in last week, red interior car was mint with low miles.
Thanks.ended up buying the Gallardo LP as it was the only car that gave the wow factor.
I really fancied the V12 and at around 75-80 level I dont think you can go wrong to be honest, I looked at a few and the build quality and materials used seem to be in a different league to the other models.
In my research I didnt come up with any negatives other than the normal ball joint issues and stuff.
TFC (who must be local to you)do well with 599's and have a couple currently, the black 10k one is actually the owners, the other 28k from memory car looks value but not seen that car as it only came in last week, red interior car was mint with low miles.
Where/Who are TFC please.
Yes as mentioned above TFC = The Ferrari Center
Thankyou4calling said:
I love the colour of the grey 599 on autotrader
What exhaust options are there?
looks a nice car and assume price caught your eye, it is priced at that level due to the miles like all Ferrari'sWhat exhaust options are there?
Not many exhaust options that I have heard of other than Tubi rear boxes, you can of course do the dissconnect trick so the valves are open all the time.
The black car in B-Ham advertised privately with Ferrari warranty looks best value on Autotrader??
No connections
There are plenty of lower mileage ones available offering more value.
The higher mileage ones would become less appealing on resale with 50k miles on the clock?
Buying private perhaps a concern and no PX option???
Grey does looks great in the pics, never seen one in the metal though.
Happy hunting!
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There are plenty of lower mileage ones available offering more value.
The higher mileage ones would become less appealing on resale with 50k miles on the clock?
Buying private perhaps a concern and no PX option???
Grey does looks great in the pics, never seen one in the metal though.
Happy hunting!
Thanks for all the replies.
I think realistically I will go down the dealer route as I'd PX my 360 and try to get the cost to change as sharp as possible.
I only put 2000 miles a year on my Ferrari so if I took a six year old one on with 25,000 miles and kept it for two years it'd still be under 30,000 so not too much of an issue.
I'll get in the swing of 2015 and make some more serious enquiries I think.
There's a black one originally owned by Eric Clapton. Is that just a talking point or does it add more?
I think realistically I will go down the dealer route as I'd PX my 360 and try to get the cost to change as sharp as possible.
I only put 2000 miles a year on my Ferrari so if I took a six year old one on with 25,000 miles and kept it for two years it'd still be under 30,000 so not too much of an issue.
I'll get in the swing of 2015 and make some more serious enquiries I think.
There's a black one originally owned by Eric Clapton. Is that just a talking point or does it add more?
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Friday 19th December 12:09
I just sold my 360 through TFC, as you are probably aware they are selling very well currently, I was going to wait until spring as TFC already had a 360 very similar to mine, that car sold within a few weeks and mine although slightly different circumstances within a week both at good money.
Talk to Dave or Matt who may well have a buyer waiting for your car, they have 3 599's currently on site to look at although I think 2 have sold in the last couple of weeks so dont think like I did that no one buys these cars in the winter, as with all cars there are some dogs out there (couple that I viewed)so ask on here before parting with money.
Talk to Dave or Matt who may well have a buyer waiting for your car, they have 3 599's currently on site to look at although I think 2 have sold in the last couple of weeks so dont think like I did that no one buys these cars in the winter, as with all cars there are some dogs out there (couple that I viewed)so ask on here before parting with money.
The black Private one can be bought for £91,000. I have been trying to buy it as a stock car. Car is worth £104'950 retail to sell quick. I bid £85,000 at it. Hes only 20 mins from me, hopefully will cave in! Its on SOR at a dealers currently on there website too.
Edited by tranter5 on Friday 19th December 12:24
tranter5 said:
MDahmen said:
I
Anyways, at the time I did some research and found this company doing ceramic disc refurbishment - have not tried them, but if it works, then it is a much cheaper solution that replacing discs.
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
Unfortunately this would not work, Ferrari are clever in that if the Ceramic wear indicator comes on it can't just be reset. 4 New Ceramics must be purchased which have a code on the box which has to be put in whilst setting up the new brakes. The car I looked at first needed new ceramics and Graypaul wanted £9k plus VATAnyways, at the time I did some research and found this company doing ceramic disc refurbishment - have not tried them, but if it works, then it is a much cheaper solution that replacing discs.
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
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