EU - obesity is a disability
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chris watton said:
I started a better diet and weight training back in May
Kudos.To the uninitiated (i.e. not you), it is incredible just how much fat/energy lifting weights and building muscle - even modestly - can use. Add in a bit more cardio and effects can be significant and not just size and weight, but also energy levels, alertness and - probably best of all - the sense of wellbeing.
Is laziness a disability? Or just not yet?
It occurs to me that I'm not happy with someone as clearly unfit as the guy who brought this case driving for a living, if I've picked that up right. Who knows how he would react in an emergency?
Perhaps one of the reasonable adjustments he's looking for is to have a driver?
It occurs to me that I'm not happy with someone as clearly unfit as the guy who brought this case driving for a living, if I've picked that up right. Who knows how he would react in an emergency?
Perhaps one of the reasonable adjustments he's looking for is to have a driver?
deltaevo16 said:
One thing that always worries me is that we seem to blame the eater rather than the makers of food. For to long have the food producers got away with this. They use food labelling to hoodwink people, its become a real test of skill to actually find out what is in stuff we eat. Claiming things are fat free, or less sugar, when in reality it has some other harmful s
t+ in it.
The tobacco companies have been hounded for years, and quite rightly so. When are Governments going to start getting tough on the makers and retailers of our food? If they sell stuff thats bad for you, make them put a skull and crossbones on the lid. Or a picture of an overweight child.
Big Sugar documentary t+ in it.The tobacco companies have been hounded for years, and quite rightly so. When are Governments going to start getting tough on the makers and retailers of our food? If they sell stuff thats bad for you, make them put a skull and crossbones on the lid. Or a picture of an overweight child.
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Digga said:
chris watton said:
I started a better diet and weight training back in May
Kudos.To the uninitiated (i.e. not you), it is incredible just how much fat/energy lifting weights and building muscle - even modestly - can use. Add in a bit more cardio and effects can be significant and not just size and weight, but also energy levels, alertness and - probably best of all - the sense of wellbeing.
I was/am still very surprised at just how quick the weight came off!
I remember trying to do 10 sit-ups when I started, I was laughing at myself at how ridiculous I must look, as I could hardly do one because of my stomach. Now I do 50 at a time with 7.5kg behind my head. Same with squats (as good as any cardio, I think), my legs were wobbling with 50/60kg, now, they still wobble, but with 140kg!
The best part has been having to throw away my old wardrobe and buying a whole new one, only this time medium size instead of XL.
However, if you just want to lose weight, it really isn't rocket science - you just control the quality of food you put into your mouth, and just be a little more active.
Agreed Chris - It can be done!
Ignore the fact I look more miserable in each photo (too much concentration on taking the 'selfie') but at my 'peak' I was 14st 2, now done at around the 12st range.
I still work 50+ hours a week but able to get the gym a couple of times a week (loving running club). Aiming for a half marathon in March.
Diet wise I still eat takeaways etc but i've cut out bread as much as possible, smaller portions and I also try and have a break between dinner and 'dessert'. We got a dog earlier in the year so that helps!
Need to buy a new wardrobe as well.
Ignore the fact I look more miserable in each photo (too much concentration on taking the 'selfie') but at my 'peak' I was 14st 2, now done at around the 12st range.
I still work 50+ hours a week but able to get the gym a couple of times a week (loving running club). Aiming for a half marathon in March.
Diet wise I still eat takeaways etc but i've cut out bread as much as possible, smaller portions and I also try and have a break between dinner and 'dessert'. We got a dog earlier in the year so that helps!
Need to buy a new wardrobe as well.
People who eat too much have got somethinbg wrong with them, that's pretty obvious really. Lots of people here saying how simple it is to lose weight by eating less, exercising more, and it's true.
So why aren't fat people doing that? I can guarantee you not one of them actually wants to be fat. It's just that being thin costs them too much, because it's not cutting down for a day or two, it's having to virtually stop eating for month after month, and they just can't face doing that.
So they just keep packing it down, and I actually feel sorry for them.
I bet there are drugs that would stop people wanting to eat, but they daren't let them become available because of the idiots who would abuse them and who wouldn't be satisfied even if they ended up looking like those in the pictures of when they liberated Auschwitz.
So why aren't fat people doing that? I can guarantee you not one of them actually wants to be fat. It's just that being thin costs them too much, because it's not cutting down for a day or two, it's having to virtually stop eating for month after month, and they just can't face doing that.
So they just keep packing it down, and I actually feel sorry for them.
I bet there are drugs that would stop people wanting to eat, but they daren't let them become available because of the idiots who would abuse them and who wouldn't be satisfied even if they ended up looking like those in the pictures of when they liberated Auschwitz.
pmanson said:
Agreed Chris - It can be done!
Ignore the fact I look more miserable in each photo (too much concentration on taking the 'selfie') but at my 'peak' I was 14st 2, now done at around the 12st range.
I still work 50+ hours a week but able to get the gym a couple of times a week (loving running club). Aiming for a half marathon in March.
Diet wise I still eat takeaways etc but i've cut out bread as much as possible, smaller portions and I also try and have a break between dinner and 'dessert'. We got a dog earlier in the year so that helps!
Need to buy a new wardrobe as well.
That's great! I do sometimes eat more, too, but I know that when I spend an hour and a half training, that's about 400 calories burnt.Ignore the fact I look more miserable in each photo (too much concentration on taking the 'selfie') but at my 'peak' I was 14st 2, now done at around the 12st range.
I still work 50+ hours a week but able to get the gym a couple of times a week (loving running club). Aiming for a half marathon in March.
Diet wise I still eat takeaways etc but i've cut out bread as much as possible, smaller portions and I also try and have a break between dinner and 'dessert'. We got a dog earlier in the year so that helps!
Need to buy a new wardrobe as well.
This is the pic that made me think enough is enough (it is shameful!)
And this was taken a mere four and half months after I started training and diet (in my 8th month now)
I no longer wanted to look like I did in the first picture, so I did something about it. (I too work very long hours, and most weekends, albeit from home)
I think this stuff is disgusting, (im sure ive said this before)
In the UK we have obesity on one hand and starvation on the other. What is going on with society, this just isn't working, supermarkets and the media are ruining the UK, this needs to change.
BoGoF needs to be banned, additional tax needs to be added to 'sweets' etc, food wastage needs to also be dealt with and of course the general population needs educating (read brain washing) on calories (a nice tv campaign and celebrities etc)
In the UK we have obesity on one hand and starvation on the other. What is going on with society, this just isn't working, supermarkets and the media are ruining the UK, this needs to change.
BoGoF needs to be banned, additional tax needs to be added to 'sweets' etc, food wastage needs to also be dealt with and of course the general population needs educating (read brain washing) on calories (a nice tv campaign and celebrities etc)
I don't think education will help at all, the people who are fat already know exactly why they are fat, and already know what they need to do about it.
Same with people who smoke, and the same with people who drink too much.
They've made a decision, and are taking the path that they can cope with, no matter how bad it is for them ultimately.
Same with people who smoke, and the same with people who drink too much.
They've made a decision, and are taking the path that they can cope with, no matter how bad it is for them ultimately.
Benbay001 said:
deltaevo16 said:
One thing that always worries me is that we seem to blame the eater rather than the makers of food. For to long have the food producers got away with this. They use food labelling to hoodwink people
bks.I do the weekly shopping for my self and managed to stay slim.
I know when ive eaten too much bad stuff and i know when ive eaten good stuff, i can ballance that out.
I sat down when i got home yesterday and ate a whole box of biscuits by myself. Was i worried? No. It was the only sweet thing id eaten in 4 days (other than fruit)
The food companies are blameless. They are out to make money.
Blameless? your having a laugh. Perhaps you need to research a little more as to what the blameless folks conjure up to make folks eat more.
Let us not forget they have no issues advertising their crap directly to young kids. ash73 said:
chris watton said:
I no longer wanted to look like I did in the first picture, so I did something about it.
Bravo! 
It's a pity more people can't take the responsibility for their physical well-being seriously instead of shovelling crap into their faces whilst watching telly every night.
It seems that a lot of people think that getting off their fat arses to put the kettle on when the adverts come on constitutes exercise.
Another here who has recovered from being morbidly disabled lol.
I was about 21stone when I was 18, and couldn't even run 1 lap of a football pitch. I was lazy, just played computer games most of my childhood and have a mother who likes to keep me happy by feeding me.
I started going for a kickabout with some mates a few evenings a week and noticed the weight stated coming off, then moved to a reasonable, though in no way restrictive diet.
Thought hey this is good lets keep it up.
When I could run 2 laps of a football pitch I joined a gym and things have just improved ever since.
I was gym rowing champ for every year I went there, I dont go anymore as I like to run cross country (had a few podiums in races) and ride instead. I do circuit training once a week and the occasional workout DVD (Insanity).
Now settled in at the mid 14st mark (Im 6'2 and broad) I got down to 13,10 but the Mrs said I looked all gaunt and malnourished.
Still eat more than I should but according to my sports watch I have burnt over 200,000 calories in exercise alone this year.
My life is so much better now if only chubbers knew that the feeling of being fit and healthy, looking decent and wearing nicer clothes was better than the feeling you get from cake (only just mind) they might change their behaviour. Commitment is another thing, it did take me a good 2 years to drop the weight so its no good with people eating a bit less for 2 weeks and seeing no difference.
You see these diet programmes where people loose 2 lbs in a month and are applauded for it. I dont even count figures that small as I can lose 3lbs on a 10 mile run lol.
Some people just dont want to help themselves though. My sister is massive, even though she takes her dog for a waddle twice a day and waddles to work. She lives by herself cant be bothered to cook and just eats crap in vast amounts (so for any PHer Chubby Chasers she is free n single lol). She has seen what I have achieved but is just happy being fat.
I can kind of see where they are coming from making it a disability as once you are a certain size normal life does get pretty hard, it is self inflicted but only in the same way a friend of mine is "disabled" from smoking in that he gets out of breath after a 20 yard walk so where do you draw the line?
Maybe for a proper disability it needs to be permanent loss of use of part of the body eg blindness or amputation whereas fat can be removed with a bit of work.
I was about 21stone when I was 18, and couldn't even run 1 lap of a football pitch. I was lazy, just played computer games most of my childhood and have a mother who likes to keep me happy by feeding me.
I started going for a kickabout with some mates a few evenings a week and noticed the weight stated coming off, then moved to a reasonable, though in no way restrictive diet.
Thought hey this is good lets keep it up.
When I could run 2 laps of a football pitch I joined a gym and things have just improved ever since.
I was gym rowing champ for every year I went there, I dont go anymore as I like to run cross country (had a few podiums in races) and ride instead. I do circuit training once a week and the occasional workout DVD (Insanity).
Now settled in at the mid 14st mark (Im 6'2 and broad) I got down to 13,10 but the Mrs said I looked all gaunt and malnourished.
Still eat more than I should but according to my sports watch I have burnt over 200,000 calories in exercise alone this year.
My life is so much better now if only chubbers knew that the feeling of being fit and healthy, looking decent and wearing nicer clothes was better than the feeling you get from cake (only just mind) they might change their behaviour. Commitment is another thing, it did take me a good 2 years to drop the weight so its no good with people eating a bit less for 2 weeks and seeing no difference.
You see these diet programmes where people loose 2 lbs in a month and are applauded for it. I dont even count figures that small as I can lose 3lbs on a 10 mile run lol.
Some people just dont want to help themselves though. My sister is massive, even though she takes her dog for a waddle twice a day and waddles to work. She lives by herself cant be bothered to cook and just eats crap in vast amounts (so for any PHer Chubby Chasers she is free n single lol). She has seen what I have achieved but is just happy being fat.
I can kind of see where they are coming from making it a disability as once you are a certain size normal life does get pretty hard, it is self inflicted but only in the same way a friend of mine is "disabled" from smoking in that he gets out of breath after a 20 yard walk so where do you draw the line?
Maybe for a proper disability it needs to be permanent loss of use of part of the body eg blindness or amputation whereas fat can be removed with a bit of work.
RobinOakapple said:
I don't think education will help at all, the people who are fat already know exactly why they are fat, and already know what they need to do about it.
Not sure where exactly I sit on this.On the one hand, there are all sorts of stories - wintness the TV "Freaky Eaters" type shows - where people genuinely have no idea what is and isn't healthy in terms of diet (and to a lesser extent lifestyle), or more specifically, what exactly is unhealthy. On the other hand you have very intelligent people like my friend who has a PHD in biology and yet, is obese and perpetually struggling with related health issues. i think more could be done.
As others on here say, one of the great unsung benefits of healthier lifestyle is the feelgood factor (not to be confused with smugness) of being fitter and healthier.
BoRED S2upid said:
Prevents discrimination on the grounds of obesity so if he got fatter still and couldn't get behind the wheel
They would have to build him a new bus with an extra big chair? Maybe a winch to get him into it? They couldn't sack him because he was so fat.
Whatever next obese policemen wobbling after criminals because the police force can't sack them for being too fat to run?
It's a good job reactionary idiocy is classified as a learning disability under the same legislation, it means that we can't discriminate against you.They would have to build him a new bus with an extra big chair? Maybe a winch to get him into it? They couldn't sack him because he was so fat.
Whatever next obese policemen wobbling after criminals because the police force can't sack them for being too fat to run?
Either do some basic research or leave the thread well alone.
ash73 said:
mph1977 said:
The ruling is therefore not some sort of free pass, but it does prevent discrimination on the grounds of obesity, which is entirely sensible.
I don't agree, obesity costs the NHS £millions and there's no excuse for it. Eat less and exercise more is not a difficult concept; if somebody doesn't have the discipline to look after themselves physically they deserve ridicule, imo.ash73 said:
mph1977 said:
ash73 said:
mph1977 said:
The ruling is therefore not some sort of free pass, but it does prevent discrimination on the grounds of obesity, which is entirely sensible.
I don't agree, obesity costs the NHS £millions and there's no excuse for it. Eat less and exercise more is not a difficult concept; if somebody doesn't have the discipline to look after themselves physically they deserve ridicule, imo.Martin4x4 said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
What's the world coming to when you can't call a fat bd a "fat bd".
d a "fat bd".
A civil one perhaps, or would you prefer a society where I could sack a baldy on grounds you are all 'meat heads'?Martin4x4 said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
What's the world coming to when you can't call a fat bd a "fat bd".
d a "fat bd". A civil one perhaps, or would you prefer a society where I could sack a baldy on grounds you are all 'meat heads'?There is definitely a stigma attached with calling someone fat though.
People always say to those who smoke 'ugh, that is disgusting!' and I have heard numerous times people saying to someone 'ohh you are looking so skinny. You need to eat something!'. Its rarely said so blatently to fatties.
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