EU - obesity is a disability
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vescaegg said:
Martin4x4 said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
What's the world coming to when you can't call a fat b
d a "fat bd".
d a "fat bd".
A civil one perhaps, or would you prefer a society where I could sack a baldy on grounds you are all 'meat heads'?ds; they're GREEDY fat bds. Fat because of greed. So it seems greed is now a disability. mail said:
An overweight British man won a landmark discrimination case against his employers, after a High Court judge ruled the effects of obesity can be classed as a disability.
John Walker, 49, weighed more than 21 stone when he was dismissed from his post as an IT manager at Sita Information Networking Computing UK.
He was sacked after spending seven years off work with health problems linked to his size such as asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure, chronic fatigue and knee problems.
Mr Walker, from Bude in Cornwall, initially lost the case when it was ruled that he could not be categorised as disabled but that decision was overturned on appeal.
It is understood that Mr Walker, who now weighs 19 stone, has since secured a six-figure settlement from a health insurance company.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2882813/21-stone-British-man-sacked-spending-seven-years-work-wins-landmark-case-judge-rules-obesity-disability.htmlJohn Walker, 49, weighed more than 21 stone when he was dismissed from his post as an IT manager at Sita Information Networking Computing UK.
He was sacked after spending seven years off work with health problems linked to his size such as asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure, chronic fatigue and knee problems.
Mr Walker, from Bude in Cornwall, initially lost the case when it was ruled that he could not be categorised as disabled but that decision was overturned on appeal.
It is understood that Mr Walker, who now weighs 19 stone, has since secured a six-figure settlement from a health insurance company.
Thankyou4calling said:
Purity14 said:
No, that is not necessarily true; Unless you are being ridiculous in your quantity sizes of course.
For example:
1000 calories of chocolate, crisps and cake
vs
1000 calories of raspberrys, strawberries, blackberrys, almonds, cashews etc.
Which one will make you fatter?
Neither will.For example:
1000 calories of chocolate, crisps and cake
vs
1000 calories of raspberrys, strawberries, blackberrys, almonds, cashews etc.
Which one will make you fatter?
1000 calories is 1000 calories whether you consume it in fish n chips or vegetables and salad.
Its a simple equation, if calories in exceeds calories out you'll get fatter, makes no odds where those calories come from.
t in a few months time.Centurion07 said:
Yes, 1000 calories is 1000 calories wherever it comes from, but if you have two people, one of whom eats 2000 calories of cheesecake a day and the other eats 2000 calories of fish, lean meat and vegetables a day, I know which one I'd bet on to be looking like a fat sack of st in a few months time.
errr neither, they would maintain, the one eating the processed sugar and crap would have other problems but it wouldn't be size, ive been there, looking fit and healthy but struggling to climb the stairs or walk any great distance. I know from experience. t in a few months time.I love nothing more than to skip meals and just eat cake/sweets, I did it over the weekend and I feel like crap for it & am bloated.
Foliage said:
Centurion07 said:
Yes, 1000 calories is 1000 calories wherever it comes from, but if you have two people, one of whom eats 2000 calories of cheesecake a day and the other eats 2000 calories of fish, lean meat and vegetables a day, I know which one I'd bet on to be looking like a fat sack of st in a few months time.
errr neither, they would maintain, the one eating the processed sugar and crap would have other problems but it wouldn't be size, ive been there, looking fit and healthy but struggling to climb the stairs or walk any great distance. I know from experience. t in a few months time.I love nothing more than to skip meals and just eat cake/sweets, I did it over the weekend and I feel like crap for it & am bloated.
500+ excess calories made up of sugar and fat are going to make you fat. 500+ excess calories of protein and other more useful stuff will not.
Purity14 said:
Centurion07 said:
500+ excess calories made up of sugar and fat are going to make you fat. 500+ excess calories of protein and other more useful stuff will not.
Correct, when our bodies process sugar it all goes to fat.All calories are not equal.
RobinOakapple said:
Purity14 said:
Centurion07 said:
500+ excess calories made up of sugar and fat are going to make you fat. 500+ excess calories of protein and other more useful stuff will not.
Correct, when our bodies process sugar it all goes to fat.All calories are not equal.
They're only "excess" in terms of a typical adult's day. If you spend an hour or two in the gym per day, those "excess" protein calories (note: PROTEIN calories, not FAT calories or anything else) would be used to build muscle, VERY generally speaking.
Centurion07 said:
RobinOakapple said:
Purity14 said:
Centurion07 said:
500+ excess calories made up of sugar and fat are going to make you fat. 500+ excess calories of protein and other more useful stuff will not.
Correct, when our bodies process sugar it all goes to fat.All calories are not equal.
They're only "excess" in terms of a typical adult's day. If you spend an hour or two in the gym per day, those "excess" protein calories (note: PROTEIN calories, not FAT calories or anything else) would be used to build muscle, VERY generally speaking.
BlackLabel said:
mail said:
An overweight British man won a landmark discrimination case against his employers, after a High Court judge ruled the effects of obesity can be classed as a disability.
John Walker, 49, weighed more than 21 stone when he was dismissed from his post as an IT manager at Sita Information Networking Computing UK.
He was sacked after spending seven years off work with health problems linked to his size such as asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure, chronic fatigue and knee problems.
Mr Walker, from Bude in Cornwall, initially lost the case when it was ruled that he could not be categorised as disabled but that decision was overturned on appeal.
It is understood that Mr Walker, who now weighs 19 stone, has since secured a six-figure settlement from a health insurance company.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2882813/21-stone-British-man-sacked-spending-seven-years-work-wins-landmark-case-judge-rules-obesity-disability.htmlJohn Walker, 49, weighed more than 21 stone when he was dismissed from his post as an IT manager at Sita Information Networking Computing UK.
He was sacked after spending seven years off work with health problems linked to his size such as asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure, chronic fatigue and knee problems.
Mr Walker, from Bude in Cornwall, initially lost the case when it was ruled that he could not be categorised as disabled but that decision was overturned on appeal.
It is understood that Mr Walker, who now weighs 19 stone, has since secured a six-figure settlement from a health insurance company.
It's started...
RobinOakapple said:
But what would happen if you didn't spend an hour or two in the gym?
I've just had a read, as far as I understand.Protein uses more calories for the body to process, supresses your appetite and when exercising builds/repairs muscle, BUT if your eating excess calories of 500 a day and not exercising the additional protein is irrelevant (sort of), you will still be eating carbs and fat that will end up as body fat.
A calorie is a calorie but macro nutrition matters as protein is important to weight loss and muscle repait
Edited by Foliage on Monday 22 December 10:37
Foliage said:
Centurion07 said:
Your body will do what it can with the type of calories you feed it. Excess protein calories would be expelled in the normal way, I believe.
I don't think that's true somehow, because its a bit more complicated as you cant just eat 100% protein.Foliage said:
Centurion07 said:
Your body will do what it can with the type of calories you feed it. Excess protein calories would be expelled in the normal way, I believe.
I don't think that's true somehow, because its a bit more complicated as you cant just eat 100% protein.Your body will use ALL of whatever calories you feed it, as long is it CAN. If your body only needs say, 500 calories of protein that particular day and you give it 501, it has no use for that 1 calorie so it needs to do something with it. Same goes for a lot of other types of calorie, but your body loves fat calories. If it can't use them as fuel it's quite happy to store them for use later hence you get fat if you eat EXCESSIVE fat calories.
AS mentioned above, it's most definitely not as black and white as we'd like it to be and I'm only speaking in very general terms/numbers.
The long and short of it is as I originally stated though; certain excess calories are not as bad as others due to the way your body is able to deal with them.
Centurion07 said:
Yes, 1000 calories is 1000 calories wherever it comes from, but if you have two people, one of whom eats 2000 calories of cheesecake a day and the other eats 2000 calories of fish, lean meat and vegetables a day, I know which one I'd bet on to be looking like a fat sack of st in a few months time.
Of course, but they are different people with different metabolic rates and activity levelst in a few months time.Centurion07 said:
but your body loves fat calories.
certain excess calories are not as bad as others due to the way your body is able to deal with them.
These bits are important, simple carbs like monosaccharides (sugar) are extremely easy for your body to break down, it almost requires no effort, eating a long chain carb or protein will give your body a bit of a workout just processing it.certain excess calories are not as bad as others due to the way your body is able to deal with them.
Andy Zarse said:
And the adjective was missed. They're not fat bds; they're GREEDY fat bds. Fat because of greed. So it seems greed is now a disability.
So it's actually greed that is the disability not being a fat bds; they're GREEDY fat bds. Fat because of greed. So it seems greed is now a disability. d per se. How long before the bankers bonus ban is challenged on the grounds that it discriminates against the disabled?Thankyou4calling said:
Centurion07 said:
Yes, 1000 calories is 1000 calories wherever it comes from, but if you have two people, one of whom eats 2000 calories of cheesecake a day and the other eats 2000 calories of fish, lean meat and vegetables a day, I know which one I'd bet on to be looking like a fat sack of st in a few months time.
Of course, but they are different people with different metabolic rates and activity levelst in a few months time.t compared to the other after a period of time. It's down to how your body is able to use the fuel you're giving it.It's like filling your car with wrong fuel, sure it'll run for a bit but as it's not able to use the fuel you gave it in the way it likes to, you're going to end up with problems.
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