Paedophile ring - military, law enforcement, political fig
Discussion
Tannedbaldhead said:
I agree with everything you say Derek. What disgusted me about the abuse within the Catholic church was the top down, very deliberate, systematic, covering up and protecting of the institution. I think much the same is going to be revealed in this case.
I do think the exposure of abuse is newsworthy and worthwhile. My personal gripe comes from originating from Northern Ireland and seeing abuse exposure as sectarian point scoring. I was sickened with the whole "my side isn't as bad as your side" point scoring with one side pointing out the abuse scandal within the Catholic Church the other noting the establishment along with promenent loyalist polititions and paramilitaries abusing boys at Kincora.
My post was a dig at posters on PH who will take a group of individuals within a community who abuse and use that behaviour to attack the community in general. The reaction to the Muslim taxi drivers with the carehome girls is a good example. The UKIPpy types loved it. The liberal types will use the oncoming scandal mentioned by the OP as some form of rebuttal.
To me I see the NI senario all over again.
Sorry to miss your point.I do think the exposure of abuse is newsworthy and worthwhile. My personal gripe comes from originating from Northern Ireland and seeing abuse exposure as sectarian point scoring. I was sickened with the whole "my side isn't as bad as your side" point scoring with one side pointing out the abuse scandal within the Catholic Church the other noting the establishment along with promenent loyalist polititions and paramilitaries abusing boys at Kincora.
My post was a dig at posters on PH who will take a group of individuals within a community who abuse and use that behaviour to attack the community in general. The reaction to the Muslim taxi drivers with the carehome girls is a good example. The UKIPpy types loved it. The liberal types will use the oncoming scandal mentioned by the OP as some form of rebuttal.
To me I see the NI senario all over again.
There is something chilling about those whose job it is to protect using their authority to commit such crimes.
The reasoning behind the church in Ireland abandoning its god given remit to protect children was in fact to protect the authority of the institution. The reason in this country for the establishment's cover-up is more complex I think. That said, I can't get my head around senior police officers and those in SB taking part in the cover-up. Worse still, from what we can see, they allowed it to continue.
I know that it is a bit selfish, but I want them exposed. Every police officer who failed in his or her basic duty should have their name published, exposed for what they were. I would imaging lawyers would want the same for judges, politicians the same, and those in the forces. I was to be able to dissociate myself from them so that instead of it being the police as a whole being blamed it is names and positions.
Yet I know that walls are being built. We'll never know. Those who offended - and those who have continued to offend, as it is going on now - will be designing in protection.
Some are untouchable.
mybrainhurts said:
Someone will be along in a moment to shout FREEMASONS...
I note the smiley, but......Do you not think that freemasonry might be in the background here?
Top-level politicians past and present...high-ranking police officers...high level judiciary...et al
The stench is overpowering.
Sgt Bilko said:
What odd examples he used."It might be debt, it might be... um... scandal involving small boys"
Yes, because that is the second thing that comes to any normal person's mind.
smegmore said:
mybrainhurts said:
Someone will be along in a moment to shout FREEMASONS...
I note the smiley, but......Do you not think that freemasonry might be in the background here?
Top-level politicians past and present...high-ranking police officers...high level judiciary...et al
The stench is overpowering.
Derek Smith said:
There is something chilling about those whose job it is to protect using their authority to commit such crimes.
The reasoning behind the church in Ireland abandoning its god given remit to protect children was in fact to protect the authority of the institution. The reason in this country for the establishment's cover-up is more complex I think. That said, I can't get my head around senior police officers and those in SB taking part in the cover-up. Worse still, from what we can see, they allowed it to continue.
Some are untouchable.
There is an equally important aspect to the church in Ireland destroying the lives of innocent children that is rarely publicised. Pregnant young girls were institutionalised by the church to deliver their children. Many children were then taken to USA using traffickers to fulfil a need for adoption subjects on the huge American market. It involved many hundreds of children being 'sold' by the church with the knowledge of the most senior officials. This business was massive and was protected. Adoptive parents were selected entirely from the church in America and only regular attendees were allowed to adopt. When it is acknowledged that that happened there might just be some progress in other areas of modern life. I don't believe there is any walk of public life that is not affected by these horrors.The reasoning behind the church in Ireland abandoning its god given remit to protect children was in fact to protect the authority of the institution. The reason in this country for the establishment's cover-up is more complex I think. That said, I can't get my head around senior police officers and those in SB taking part in the cover-up. Worse still, from what we can see, they allowed it to continue.
Some are untouchable.
jdw100 said:
Atmospheric said:
So...was the Paedo finder appointment made then?
Or did they go with Optimus Prime in the end?
I think I read they appointed **** *******..or was it **** *******..or ***** *****...or the ghost of Jimmy Saville?Or did they go with Optimus Prime in the end?
At the very least I suspect you will get a ban from this thread, at worst you will feel the wrath of lawyers.
Edited by NinjaPower on Sunday 21st December 00:13
Thorodin said:
There is an equally important aspect to the church in Ireland destroying the lives of innocent children that is rarely publicised. Pregnant young girls were institutionalised by the church to deliver their children. Many children were then taken to USA using traffickers to fulfil a need for adoption subjects on the huge American market. It involved many hundreds of children being 'sold' by the church with the knowledge of the most senior officials. This business was massive and was protected. Adoptive parents were selected entirely from the church in America and only regular attendees were allowed to adopt. When it is acknowledged that that happened there might just be some progress in other areas of modern life. I don't believe there is any walk of public life that is not affected by these horrors.
There are some videos on YouTube where the victims of the church's behaviour speak out about their problems.Many seem to be angriest about the state's complicity: police, politicians and judiciary. They were trapped, nowhere to go. The fact that they weren't believed, or rather were believed but those in authority refused to do anything about it, just made the situation far worse for them.
Many were threatened. There was one chap who was told he would be excommunication if he continued to complain about being abused. I say one chap but this was a common ploy. So even those who took no part in the abuse continued to cover it up. The chap said 'Everyone [in the church] knew.
The taking of children - of which I am sure there is more to come - for financial reward is something that cannot be apologised for.
In this country the ones picked on were life's unfortunates, the victims of abuse at home or those who misbehaved. Who on earth was going to believe those against upright MPs, police, judges and other notaries?
The videos are horrific. These are normal people whose lives have been ruined not so much by the initial offences against them but by the cover up, the fact that nothing was done. They were victims time and again. For a really thrilling ride, put yourself in their place.
My paternal grandmother was a victim of cruelty by nuns in Co. Cork, this in the late 1800s. She was taken from her mother at the age of 6 or so and then put to work in a workhouse. An intelligent woman, she had no education beyond the bible. So no education. The workhouse, which was still in existence until after the war, was eventually demolished and the various collection of bones, a few small ones of which belonged to her twin brother who died (killed?) within hours of arriving at the workhouse, were just dumped elsewhere without markings.
I always thought that that was the 'old days' when superstition and cruelty ruled. Well, hardly spot on there.
It went on everywhere I suppose, and it still goes on.
smegmore said:
I note the smiley, but......
Do you not think that freemasonry might be in the background here?
Top-level politicians past and present...high-ranking police officers...high level judiciary...et al
The stench is overpowering.
Insular empires (little and not so little), need to be dismantled under the glare of the media spotlight.Do you not think that freemasonry might be in the background here?
Top-level politicians past and present...high-ranking police officers...high level judiciary...et al
The stench is overpowering.
vonuber said:
Sgt Bilko said:
What odd examples he used."It might be debt, it might be... um... scandal involving small boys"
Yes, because that is the second thing that comes to any normal person's mind.
This case is going to be interesting in the run up to an election. Hope no one comes under pressure to keep quiet until after the election.
Getting rather alarmed about prospects for the next election.
Chairless enquiry: HomSec now threatens to disband the panel of witnesses because, she alleges, she wants to widen the remit to include compulsion to attend. This wasn't on offer when the existing witness group was assembled so the whole thing needs to be re-convened, she says. So the starting date may be delayed until after the next election. Shame. Surprise.
The Chilcot enquiry, unbelievably delayed by interested parties trying it on, now apparently contains controversial conclusions which cannot be resolved and continue to prolong release of the report.
Can these bombs really be deflected that long? Is there not some legal compunction that can be found to force these matters to be done in a timely manner? What about the public interest, or some sort of 'reasonable time' limit? In two months the law prevents these kind of things from being published so close to an election. Wonder how many more skeletons there are in the Westminster Ossuary.
Chairless enquiry: HomSec now threatens to disband the panel of witnesses because, she alleges, she wants to widen the remit to include compulsion to attend. This wasn't on offer when the existing witness group was assembled so the whole thing needs to be re-convened, she says. So the starting date may be delayed until after the next election. Shame. Surprise.
The Chilcot enquiry, unbelievably delayed by interested parties trying it on, now apparently contains controversial conclusions which cannot be resolved and continue to prolong release of the report.
Can these bombs really be deflected that long? Is there not some legal compunction that can be found to force these matters to be done in a timely manner? What about the public interest, or some sort of 'reasonable time' limit? In two months the law prevents these kind of things from being published so close to an election. Wonder how many more skeletons there are in the Westminster Ossuary.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6362270
"A dossier implicating three MPs and a three members of the House of Lords in a Westminster paedophile ring has been handed to Scotland Yard.
The Sunday Times reports a list of 22 high-profile figures has been compiled by Labour MP John Mann including 13 former ministers.
A well as claims of sexual abuse dating back to to the 1970s, police are also looking seriously at claims three boys were murdered in a luxury London apartment in Dolphin Square.
One of those killed is alleged to have been strangled by a Tory MP during a sex game, a claim described by Scotland Yard as "credible and true".
"A dossier implicating three MPs and a three members of the House of Lords in a Westminster paedophile ring has been handed to Scotland Yard.
The Sunday Times reports a list of 22 high-profile figures has been compiled by Labour MP John Mann including 13 former ministers.
A well as claims of sexual abuse dating back to to the 1970s, police are also looking seriously at claims three boys were murdered in a luxury London apartment in Dolphin Square.
One of those killed is alleged to have been strangled by a Tory MP during a sex game, a claim described by Scotland Yard as "credible and true".
V8 Fettler said:
smegmore said:
I note the smiley, but......
Do you not think that freemasonry might be in the background here?
Top-level politicians past and present...high-ranking police officers...high level judiciary...et al
The stench is overpowering.
Insular empires (little and not so little), need to be dismantled under the glare of the media spotlight.Do you not think that freemasonry might be in the background here?
Top-level politicians past and present...high-ranking police officers...high level judiciary...et al
The stench is overpowering.
After the latest news that Theresa May or May Not has decided that there may be a more 'rigorous' investigation into the subject, I wonder if this is just a case of kicking the can down the road until certain parties who are said to be involved have passed into the great blue yonder.
I'm also a little surprised that, in view of my previous comments, the goats head wearers haven't come out and poo-pooed the possible involvement of their secret and far-reaching cult.
MarshPhantom said:
You can only imagine how long this thread would be if it were Labour that was the paedo party.
I think this goes beyond party politics. Anyone imagining that this relates to one specific political party is in never never land. They are incorrigible. I've just read an article - forget where - where Vaz - yes, Vaz - enjoined some group not to obstruct an enquiry. They front of the man. He must think that we are idiots.
I accept they are not all at it but this goes up to the whips we are told.
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