New To The World Of Porsche

[nujwaan]

Hi everyone,

Hope you're well! I'm a first time poster so please be gentle smile

I currently drive a rather old banged up Peugeot. I've been working quite a few years and saved up a nice bit of dough to upgrade especially now that I run my own company and so image is more important!

I see a lot of Porsche Caymans on Autotrader going for about £15-18K. I know they are 7-8 years old but from what I can tell that shouldn't really matter so long as the car has been well looked after etc.

I don't really want to spend more than £18K at the moment on a second hand one because I want the experience of having one but obviously can't sink all my cash in a car whilst building a business!

Any tips or advice would be so useful. Like I say I'm a newbie so sorry if I sound stupid but just came across Pistonheads and really appreciate your expert opinions.

Thank you!

[DallaraV8]

You need to do a bit of research on 'bore scoring', RMS and IMS failures - these Generation 1 engines do have some reliability issues but they are not inevitable - chances are you could buy a well maintained example and have none of the above issues. Just be aware that significant repair costs could occur...................

[Slippydiff]

Welcome,you'll fit in just fine here. I suggest you listen only to Mr Demon, you'll bump into him sooner rather than later, he's the over zealous, well meaning, but slightly deluded former GT3 Supercup Champion who now worships at the shrine of the Cayman R (until he buys a Cayman GT4, obviously......)
You can rest assured that everything he says on here is FACT and his views are completely objective. Do as he says (not as he does) and you won't go far wrong round these parts

HTH.

[ArcticGT3]

He's not been seen for a while Slippy, rumour has it he's bought a 964RS and is currently trying to fit a Cayman R engine in the back seat wells to free up some boot space and give it the balance it should've had from the factory !

[Slippydiff]

ArcticGT3 said:

He's not been seen for a while Slippy, rumour has it he's bought a 964RS and is currently trying to fit a Cayman R engine in the back seat wells to free up some boot space and give it the balance it should've had from the factory !

Well run on some non N-rated tyres and fitted with the obligatory 5,6 or7mm front wheel spacers, he may well have a point......

[David Hype]

^^^ Ignore any advise from either these two for sure! ^^^

Welcome!

[mrdemon]

Buy a golf.

Porsche is bad for business ESP a new business with new clients.

[thegoose]

mrdemon said:

Buy a golf.

Porsche is bad for business ESP a new business with new clients.

That depends on the business and its clients and prospective clients. Surely it's up to the OP to decide what works for him and his business from that perspective?

[mrdemon]

thegoose said:

That depends on the business and its clients and prospective clients. Surely it's up to the OP to decide what works for him and his business from that perspective?

how naïve :-)

but if he wants the "how's that Porsche we are paying for comments" all the time and losing out on quotes because clients thinks he earns too much then go head.

Imo it's the worst thing he can do for a new start up.

he quoted "I run my own company and so image is more important"

Hence the Golf, you look good In a golf, no one knows what you earn and no one takes offence, A £18k Porsche is a £60k Porsche in peoples eyes esp in the UK

2nd quote
"Any tips or advice would be so useful. Like I say I'm a newbie and really appreciate your expert opinions."

that was my tip, I am not a newbie to cars or business or life, and while not an expert that is my Opinion from running my company for the last 15 years.

Edited by mrdemon on Friday 19th December 09:25

[thegoose]

mrdemon said:

thegoose said:

That depends on the business and its clients and prospective clients. Surely it's up to the OP to decide what works for him and his business from that perspective?

how naïve :-)

but if he wants the "how's that Porsche we are paying for comments" all the time and losing out on quotes because clients thinks he earns too much then go head.

Imo it's the worst thing he can do for a new start up.

he quoted "I run my own company and so image is more important"

Hence the Golf, you look good In a golf, no one knows what you earn and no one takes offence, A £18k Porsche is a £60k Porsche in peoples eyes esp in the UK

Edited by mrdemon on Friday 19th December 09:20

You're only seeing this from one perspective without knowing anything about the OP or the business he's in. I've sold cars to people who've become repeat customers that without prompting have told me how good their car (not all Porsches, but all noticeably prestigious cars, inc. Jaguar XKR, Maserati etc) has been for getting them business, as their clients prefer to deal with someone they can see is successful. In those cases people thinking an £18k car is a £60k car is a distinct advantage.

Your one-size-fits-all viewpoint will certainly be true in some cases, but not in all, hence I think you telling the OP what's right and wrong for him and his business from your (and my) uninformed perspective is inappropriate.

[mrdemon]

"I've sold cars to people who've become repeat customers that without prompting have told me how good their car (not all Porsches, but all noticeably prestigious cars, inc. Jaguar XKR, Maserati etc) has been for getting them business,"

A car will not gain you business, but it can loose you business, those customers would have won the same business turning up in a Golf.

[MDahmen]

mrdemon said:

"I've sold cars to people who've become repeat customers that without prompting have told me how good their car (not all Porsches, but all noticeably prestigious cars, inc. Jaguar XKR, Maserati etc) has been for getting them business,"

A car will not gain you business, but it can loose you business, those customers would have won the same business turning up in a Golf.

I think Demon has a valid point here - at least in Germany (I know OP is not in Germany), I think this will apply across the board regardless of which specific business. In today's environment especially people are sensitive to luxury goods (and for non-petrolheads a Porsche is a Porsche, exceptions probably being vintage cars funnily enough given their value). If one cares about a potential impact or not is up to the individual.

[nujwaan]

Hey guys!

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Yes I appreciate the viewpoint that having a flash car can signal to people something else.

The thing is it is an internet business and so I don't see customers. The people I supply are all highly successful big retailers and they know my background so they get that this money is not me just frittering away their money into a car. I just want to have a fun car as a single 28 year old male.

Back to the car though I've had emails and calls back from both ePorsch and Portiacraft and they are happy to have Peter Morgan have a look over them.

Is there anything else I can do to make sure I am going into this as well informed as possible?

Regards,
Anuj

[Buster73]

mrdemon said:

Buy a golf.

Porsche is bad for business ESP a new business with new clients.

Works the other way as well , turn up at graft and it upsets some of your staff more than it should as well.
I had my 911 four years and no one at work knew I had one , a deliberate choice by me.

[Trev450]

nujwaan said:

Is there anything else I can do to make sure I am going into this as well informed as possible?

I'm sure Peter Morgan will leave no stone unturned, but I would confirm with him that he will undertake a boroscope (for bore scoring) and check for over revs.

[nujwaan]

God this dream of buying my first Porsche sounds more like a minefield... :S

[Trev450]

anonymous said:

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You could well be right, but given that its only really two cylinders that suffer from bore scoring, how difficult would it be to remove a couple of spark plugs and have a peek.

[thegoose]

I don't know ePorsche but I have had dealings with Portiacraft (I've supplied stock to them) and I know they underwrite their own warranty in-house (which has had good feedback on here from people who've had cause to use it) and also that they use Hartech when needs be for engine related work, so I'd be pretty confident that they'll look after you, so coupled with a Peter Morgan inspection (which admittedly isn't as good as having a specialist put it on a ramp) I'd say you're going about things the right way and in safe hands.

[Koing]

MDahmen said:

I think Demon has a valid point here - at least in Germany (I know OP is not in Germany), I think this will apply across the board regardless of which specific business. In today's environment especially people are sensitive to luxury goods (and for non-petrolheads a Porsche is a Porsche, exceptions probably being vintage cars funnily enough given their value). If one cares about a potential impact or not is up to the individual.

A friends brother has two cars for this reason. He doesn't take the Aston when he is pitching to employees of the company. He takes his bog standard company saloon. When he goes to see executives he takes the Aston instead.

Koing

[ChrisW.]

The other option is GenII --- 2.9, a very sweet starting point with very few issues if the extra price step is manageable ...

It was worth asking the question, I hope we haven't put you off ..

I drive a Cayman R as a daily driver and it is utterly fantastic --- for me !

P.S. My other car's an i3 ... but I like the look of the Golf R ...