FiA historic technical passport
Discussion
tvrmallorca said:
My aim is to complete the historic Monte Carlo rally.
FIA HTP aside, like some other classic events, they say it has to be of the type of car that competed in the event in period. There is a list on their website which includes TVR Grantura. Most of the books have pictures of Burton on the Tulip Rally in the early 60's.I'd guess in a regularity rally, that modifications to the accepted specification are less of an issue than to circuit racing, although speed does help when you wrong slot.
A few years ago BiL wondered about Classic Le Mans, which had a similar restriction, he has a 1930's Sp20 Alvis with the previous FIA Historic Papers. Alvis only entered Le Mans in the twenties with their FWD, most inconsiderate. Ah for a time machine and budget...
Good Luck.
Date taken: 1976, Main Straight, Croft
maybe interesting? more here>
http://www.racing70s.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/racing70...
nice list with some old TVR racing also with info and pictures>>
http://www.racing70s.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/racing70...
http://www.racing70s.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/racing70...
terenceb said:
The only reason that the Griffs were granted papers is becase of a photograph that had (allegedly) been taken of a car competing at Brands in (alleged) 1965.It was partially hidden by the known E-Type that was just in front of it, it was assumed to have been an "international" event because of the Jag being there.
Half baked as usual Terry. Suggest you stick to MGBs and 10/10thsFor a car to get papers it must have been homologated (usually in period) and to have raced in an FIA sanctioned event in period. The Griffith 400 was raced at Aspen in Austria by EHM Paul in 1965 and that gives it the necessary provenance for period F homologation. Although the 200 was certainly raced nobody has been able to show that it did so in an FIA sanctioned event in period. The picture of Gerry's car at Brands is irrelevant.
Getting a 3000M HTP will be a major challenge. You will have to provide evidence that it ran in an FIA sanctioned event in period, preferably with photographic evidence. To be clear an international event is not one with drivers from more than one country such as the Guards Trophy was in period, it is one run under an international FIA permit, hence no US racing of Griffiths under SCCA in period counts. There is a list of homologated cars on the FIA website.
Good luck
List of homologated vehicles
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/...
You will see that only the Grantura in various forms and the Griffith 200 were ever homologated by the factory.
So once you have spent years researching 3000Ms and getting the FIA to agree to issue an HTP, remember just because you have a car that is eligible, it doesn't get you an entry and if it's French all sorts of other considerations apply ;-)
Very good luck
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/...
You will see that only the Grantura in various forms and the Griffith 200 were ever homologated by the factory.
So once you have spent years researching 3000Ms and getting the FIA to agree to issue an HTP, remember just because you have a car that is eligible, it doesn't get you an entry and if it's French all sorts of other considerations apply ;-)
Very good luck
RobMk2a said:
Didn't David Plumstead's car become the Mongoose. Which I think has been restored back to standard body work.
Rob
Yes. the mongoose is or was an ugly old beast but has lots of continuous history…also ran with disc brakes at the rear for a time but that is a whole other can of worms..Rob
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Neil
I don't think the Redex was an FIA event. A number of the leading Griffith racers researched the subject of in period FIA competition extensively prior to the current rules being agreed. Jim Lowry is the FIA scrutineer who knows his stuff in this area.
Doesn't help our man with his 3000M much though.
I don't think the Redex was an FIA event. A number of the leading Griffith racers researched the subject of in period FIA competition extensively prior to the current rules being agreed. Jim Lowry is the FIA scrutineer who knows his stuff in this area.
Doesn't help our man with his 3000M much though.
Fiscracer said:
Neil
I don't think the Redex was an FIA event. A number of the leading Griffith racers researched the subject of in period FIA competition extensively prior to the current rules being agreed. Jim Lowry is the FIA scrutineer who knows his stuff in this area.
Doesn't help our man with his 3000M much though.
I think this race comes down to interpretation..Some wording in the Fia guff eludes to the car being ran within an international event. some other regs say race.. I think there has been discussion as to whether the redex was a non championship non Fia race held during an Fia international eventI don't think the Redex was an FIA event. A number of the leading Griffith racers researched the subject of in period FIA competition extensively prior to the current rules being agreed. Jim Lowry is the FIA scrutineer who knows his stuff in this area.
Doesn't help our man with his 3000M much though.
Regardless the pics are proof that TVR's raced in 1964 and 65…But I guess that seems materless to some.
Its of no consequence to me..i built and drive my car because I always wanted one…
it does matter to others though..Its a shame that old stuff that is old cannot just race.
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Dollyman1850 said:
..Its a shame that old stuff that is old cannot just race.
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Neil, N.
It can, you just have to look for a group that would be happy to have you, rather than look down their noses, and I know that's oversimplifying things.
Over here, there are several options, with regard to series/sanctioning bodies. There's SCCA vintage, VSCCA, SVRA, SOVREN, HRS, and more. As I understand it, some will let you race a close semblance, like a Superformance Ford GT, Others won't let you run, unless the actual car was raced in period.
Do you not have any option for racing a vintage car, other than entering one in an FIA event? What about the Heritage GT series? Are there so few organizers wanting to fill grids?
Best,
B.
Fiscracer said:
terenceb said:
The only reason that the Griffs were granted papers is becase of a photograph that had (allegedly) been taken of a car competing at Brands in (alleged) 1965.It was partially hidden by the known E-Type that was just in front of it, it was assumed to have been an "international" event because of the Jag being there.
Half baked as usual Terry. Suggest you stick to MGBs and 10/10thsFor a car to get papers it must have been homologated (usually in period) and to have raced in an FIA sanctioned event in period. The Griffith 400 was raced at Aspen in Austria by EHM Paul in 1965 and that gives it the necessary provenance for period F homologation. Although the 200 was certainly raced nobody has been able to show that it did so in an FIA sanctioned event in period. The picture of Gerry's car at Brands is irrelevant.
Glad to see you havent lost any of your arrogant nature Dick.
Who was talking about GM?
As you have quoted, Jim is probably the best source of info on Griffs-exactly where I got the photo and information from about four years ago.
Would suggest that just for once, you get off of your high horse and give your arse a rest!
Getting a 3000M HTP will be a major challenge. You will have to provide evidence that it ran in an FIA sanctioned event in period, preferably with photographic evidence. To be clear an international event is not one with drivers from more than one country such as the Guards Trophy was in period, it is one run under an international FIA permit, hence no US racing of Griffiths under SCCA in period counts. There is a list of homologated cars on the FIA website.
Good luck
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