UK General Election 2015

[Scuffers]

well said!

sick of hearing from the "professional victims" both north and west of the borders.

(Total basket cases is a better description.)

[McWigglebum4th]

GoneAnon said:

For over 300 years Scotland has been able to elect MPs from one party or another but get governed by an entirely different party (or parties) because the rUK voted differently.

Now, at the mere possibility that a Scottish party MIGHT have some influence over rUK policies, everyone is up in arms. So much for Better Together, We're All In This Together and other similar bullst.

Much as I would LOVE the SNP to win 55+ seats in May, I don't believe that will happen because current polling won't translate into seats won. Also, I fear too many of my countrymen will chicken out (or be scared off by the mainstream media like the EBC - look at this week's Question Time.

Meantime, I'm going to sit back and laugh my cock off at the double standards coming to the fore.

No double standards we just don't want rampant left wing ban everything, spy on everyone, tax everything wkers running the UK

you lost deal with it

[McWigglebum4th]

Scuffers said:

well said!

sick of hearing from the "professional victims" both north and west of the borders.

(Total basket cases is a better description.)

SNP plan B is working

[eccles]

Scuffers said:

well said!

sick of hearing from the "professional victims" both north and west of the borders.

(Total basket cases is a better description.)

Seems to me all I hear these days are the professional whiners of England moaning about how hard they're done by.

[JustAnotherLogin]

McWigglebum4th said:

SNP plan B is working

Indeed I suspect it is. If SNP vote on English matters, and especially if they prop up an unpopular coalition, I could see "England" taking the decision to kick them out of the union. Or, before the Scots get all high and mighty about us being arrogant to think we had that right, we would leave the union (with Wales and NI if they wish) and leave the union to Scotland. We could leave the debts too. As they wanted to do to us.

[GoneAnon]

NicD said:

you and your 'cock' seem well suited.
How is Scotland any different to any other part of the UK? We all vote for an MP but are governed by the majority vote.
The reason 'everyone is up in arms' is because Scotland has been given even MORE of a sweetheart deal and its own devolved parliament and yet the cocks are talking about voting on English only matters.

I only wish your countrymen had the courage of their convictions and voted to leave the Union. Then you could have sunk or swum as masters of your own destiny.

If you believe we have been "given even MORE of a sweetheart deal" I can only guess you are reading/seeing/hearing/believing the wrong coverage. Someone said something about power retained being no power at all and that pretty much sums up these "additional powers".

For years we have endured the situation where MPs from the rUK comfortably outnumber our representatives and vote through things that we don't want. Will I mention the poll-tax or nuclear subs - both active and rusting hulks - near our two largest cities as examplesof important issues that DIRECTLY affect us that we effectively had/have no say in? Or what about the fracking licences that have been issued in Scotland with no consultation? Even if all 59 Scottish MPs say no, Westminster can still give the go-ahead, though we will now have planning permission to delay things. Oh, and we can decide the design of the new road-signs!


At least we agree that it is a pity that just a few more of my countrymen didn't have the courage to have voted YES.

[JustAnotherLogin]

You do realise fracking licenses have been issued in other parts of the country?

And that the reason there are more RuK representatives is because there are more of the population? Its called democracy. Quite popular in some parts (though not the scottish independence brigade I realise)

And that govt expenditure is disproportionately spent on Scotland considering its average income?

[FiF]

I believe that there are marginally more voters in Yorkshire than in the whole of Scotland.

[GoneAnon]

JustAnotherLogin said:

You do realise fracking licenses have been issued in other parts of the country?

And that the reason there are more RuK representatives is because there are more of the population? Its called democracy. Quite popular in some parts (though not the scottish independence brigade I realise)

And that govt expenditure is disproportionately spent on Scotland considering its average income?

The fracking licences elsewhere are in areas represented by parties in favour of fracking.
http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/2015/01/22/tory-l...

We have a single tory and a small number of liberals, not in the areas that have been licenced, and even if all 59 Scottish MPs say no, we still get fracked!
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/09/27/fracking-s...

Is it democratic to do whatever you like in an area - even when the locals have resoundingly rejected you and your policies?

I'm not at all sure where you get the numbers to support your final assertion.

[JustAnotherLogin]

GoneAnon said:

Is it democratic to do whatever you like in an area - even when the locals have resoundingly rejected you and your policies?

Yes it is. The alternative is nimbyism. All regions have something imposed on them that they don't like. But if it is in the best interests of the country as a whole, and the democratically elected govt impose it across all areas, without prejudice for or against any area, then yes, it is fair and democratic

GoneAnon said:

I'm not at all sure where you get the numbers to support your final assertion.

You haven't seen any of the criticism of the Barnett Formula at all?
Not that it was based on incorrect population figures which have not been corrected?
That Joel Barnett (who created it) has called it a "Terrible mistake"
That even the SNP criticise it because it does not "protect the favourable spending position of Scotland". So they admit that spending is biased in favour of Scotland - they just whinge that the advantage is very slowly degrading

[McWigglebum4th]

GoneAnon said:

Is it democratic to do whatever you like in an area - even when the locals have resoundingly rejected you and your policies?
.

What like to pledge that you will go independent despite only 37% voted for independence

or is that different



How about wind turbines?

Locally we rejected wind turbines

BUT

The SNP over ruled the local council and now i have 9 wind turbines around my house

fking left wing double standard wkers

Edited by McWigglebum4th on Saturday 24th January 20:50

[McWigglebum4th]

FiF said:

I believe that there are marginally more voters in Yorkshire than in the whole of Scotland.

And yorkshire is a lovely region of the UK

Bit like scotland

[GoneAnon]

McWigglebum4th said:

What like to pledge that you will go independent despite only 37% voted for independence

or is that different

How about if only 47% vote NOT to be independent?

McWigglebum4th said:

How about wind turbines?

Locally we rejected wind turbines

BUT

The SNP over ruled the local council and now i have 9 wind turbines around my house

fking left wing double standard wkers

[/footnote]

I have windmills in my area too. I can see some of them from the end of the street. I like them.

[Axionknight]

Zod said:

Even if they win 100% of the vote in their part of the country, how are they relevan to the national debate?

My mistake I thought you meant UKIP and not parties such as the SNP.

[FiF]

Not quite sure where to put this one, seeing as there isn't a Labour or a Green thread.

But essentially a new analysis suggests that Green party surge threatens Labour’s election hopes

In short 22 key Labour battlegrounds have been examined where there is potential for significant Labour>Green leakage.

Several categories.

LD held seats where there was exodus of LD voters after 2010GE. These are key to Labour strategy, but now at risk.

Traditional Labour-Con battlegrounds (wealthier London and South Coast) where leakage Lab> Greens means Cons more likely to hold.

Then seats with 3 way fights where a split of the Left wing vote increases the likelihood of Cons taking / holding even with their share of the vote reduced.

Confused yet?

Also what do Green, SNP and UKIP have in common? Deep disaffection with the political establishment.
Also Labour has been losing votes to UKIP with older socially conservative voters. Losing to the Greens means they are also losing younger, more educated cosmopolitan voters,

Just goes to reinforce that the old modelling is obsolete.

[McWigglebum4th]

GoneAnon said:

I have windmills in my area too. I can see some of them from the end of the street. I like them.

So let me see if i understand your position

Because you like wind turbines you are perfectly happy when the SNP government over 100 miles from where i sit now decide to completely override the local democratically elected councils decision to stop a wind turbine development that was rejected by the local people


But when the english do exactly the same you are up in arms

[GoneAnon]

McWigglebum4th said:

So let me see if i understand your position

Because you like wind turbines you are perfectly happy when the SNP government over 100 miles from where i sit now decide to completely override the local democratically elected councils decision to stop a wind turbine development that was rejected by the local people


But when the english do exactly the same you are up in arms

You misunderstand (or misrepresent?) my position. I like windmills. Full stop.

I didn't say it is OK for someone to over-rule your local elected representatives.
I didn't say you had to like them.

[McWigglebum4th]

GoneAnon said:

You misunderstand (or misrepresent?) my position. I like windmills. Full stop.

I didn't say it is OK for someone to over-rule your local elected representatives.
I didn't say you had to like them.

i like fracking


i will be happy for the english to force scotland to endure fracking

[GoneAnon]

Even if they do it directly under your home with no need to tell you, never mind ask your permission? Even though it is unclear what impact that might have on the value of your property (because we know you care about stuff like that).

Perhaps more importantly, how happy will you be to see methane and other chemicals released into your drinking water?

And what if the water table CAN'T recover?

[McWigglebum4th]

GoneAnon said:

Even if they do it directly under your home with no need to tell you, never mind ask your permission? Even though it is unclear what impact that might have on the value of your property (because we know you care about stuff like that).

Perhaps more importantly, how happy will you be to see methane and other chemicals released into your drinking water?

And what if the water table CAN'T recover?

I have my own well

I have been to the bottom of this well

It is about 6 meters down


This well supplies ALL our domestic water



I would be 100% happy for fracking to happen under my house

As this fracking takes place about 1000 meters down

So for anything to reach my well it must travel 994 meters up


Through the caping rock that keeps the gas down there


The only place the gas/chemicals could get out near the surface is thought the well


The well will be about 5 layers of steel and concrete all of which will of been pressure tested at each stage

No pressure test = No permission to frack


And as to the nasty chemicals the majority is Dihydrogen Monoxide which can be lethal in small quantities

But i am not scared

I would be willing for £1000 to drink a bottle of this Dihydrogen Monoxide


But there is a tread about fracking so i suggest you go there and scream how you are being oppressed