Off Duty PC murdered for........being a Police Officer.
Discussion
Eclassy said:
I dont know the answer to this but what do you think? I dont think the profession of a victim should automatically have an effect on sentencing and it should be left to the judge to make the call.
A traffic warden was recently beaten uncounscious and hospitalised for giving someone a ticket. Whilst there is no special law for traffic wardens, I am sure a judge would take his profession into consideration in a trial.
According to reports by doormen who witnessed this event, there was an argument between 2 groups which then escalated and sadly the off duty policeman died.
It would be a travesty if the person responsible for the death of PC Doyle goes to prison for the rest of their life just because the victim happens to be a policeman but the killers of Ekram Haque only got 4 years for a totally unprovoked attack.
Although your hate for the police is clear (I refer to your other anti-police ramblings and somewhat bizarre views/ opinions/ understanding of the law) you just don't know when to quit, do you ?A traffic warden was recently beaten uncounscious and hospitalised for giving someone a ticket. Whilst there is no special law for traffic wardens, I am sure a judge would take his profession into consideration in a trial.
According to reports by doormen who witnessed this event, there was an argument between 2 groups which then escalated and sadly the off duty policeman died.
It would be a travesty if the person responsible for the death of PC Doyle goes to prison for the rest of their life just because the victim happens to be a policeman but the killers of Ekram Haque only got 4 years for a totally unprovoked attack.
This officer was murdered - possibly for no other reason than he and his colleagues were recognised as police officers.
This is real life, not something that happened in your alternate universe.
Have some respect. You odious individual.
Red 4 said:
This officer was murdered
The man was killed. Let a judge decide whether it was murder.Red 4 said:
possibly for no other reason than he and his colleagues were recognised as police officers.
And possibly he got in a fight like many others on nights out. Wait for the facts.If someone is killed specifically or in part because of their position as a public servant then this should certainly be an aggravating feature for sentencing. If it isn't, the result will be that people can target public servants and ultimately discourage people from becoming or remaining as such. Some roles necessarily involve some contentious relations with the public and the people who take this on their shoulders should be specifically protected be the law.
Conversely, where public servants abuse positions of trust, they should face stiffer penalties than a member of the public would expect for doing the same.
Both scenarios go to the heart of law and order in our society.
Conversely, where public servants abuse positions of trust, they should face stiffer penalties than a member of the public would expect for doing the same.
Both scenarios go to the heart of law and order in our society.
Rovinghawk said:
Red 4 said:
This officer was murdered
The man was killed. Let a judge decide whether it was murder.Red 4 said:
possibly for no other reason than he and his colleagues were recognised as police officers.
And possibly he got in a fight like many others on nights out. Wait for the facts.I'll stick with murder, thanks.
It takes only one punch to kill somebody.How many times do we see people getting a kicking to the head when they are already beaten up.
If I was a off duty cop best to keep your mouth shut when involved in a fight,to much hatred out on the streets.Sad and a wasted live do die so young.
If I was a off duty cop best to keep your mouth shut when involved in a fight,to much hatred out on the streets.Sad and a wasted live do die so young.
allergictocheese said:
If someone is killed specifically or in part because of their position as a public servant then this should certainly be an aggravating feature for sentencing. If it isn't, the result will be that people can target public servants and ultimately discourage people from becoming or remaining as such. Some roles necessarily involve some contentious relations with the public and the people who take this on their shoulders should be specifically protected be the law.
Conversely, where public servants abuse positions of trust, they should face stiffer penalties than a member of the public would expect for doing the same.
Both scenarios go to the heart of law and order in our society.
Very good post.Conversely, where public servants abuse positions of trust, they should face stiffer penalties than a member of the public would expect for doing the same.
Both scenarios go to the heart of law and order in our society.
Red 4 said:
Neil Doyle died as a result of injuries sustained in a unprovoked attack - this is according to the Chief Constable, Jon Murphy (as reported in the press).
He died as a result of injuries. Nothing else is definitely known at this time, regardless of what someone who wasn't there said.Red 4 said:
I'll stick with murder, thanks.
I'll wait for the facts to be established, thanks.
Andrew Taylor convicted of manslaughter of PC Neil Doyle, wounding with intent to cause GBH on PC Robert Marshall and GBH on PC Michael Steventon.
Co-accused, Timmy Donovan convicted of manslaughter of PC Neil Doyle and wounding with intent to cause GBH on PC Marshall.
A third man was acquitted of all charges.
Sentencing due in September.
RIP Doyley.
Co-accused, Timmy Donovan convicted of manslaughter of PC Neil Doyle and wounding with intent to cause GBH on PC Marshall.
A third man was acquitted of all charges.
Sentencing due in September.
RIP Doyley.
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