Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

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mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Please stop this, my sides are aching....rofl

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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http://bishophill.squarespace.com/

You choose...

Lord Stern, prophet of doom...

Lord Doom, prophet of stern...

He's really got himself worked up into a tizzy, hasn't he?

So, what do we have here, true concern or a nice little earner?

Hard one, that...hehe


LongQ

13,864 posts

232 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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A side bar headline caught my eye on BH.

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2015/9/3/the-wisdo...

Another large power station to close apparently because "According to the operators, electricity prices have now fallen so far that they cannot operate profitably."

This does not seem to be reflected in my utility bills although the price of gas does seem much worse.

So, what has become so expensive in the world of electricity generation that they can't make a profit but the consumer price has gone up and stayed up?

Answer on a signed blank check please.

mko9

2,327 posts

211 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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steveatesh said:
On our local Tyne Tees news last night one of the articles was about a number of Beluga whales being seen and filmed off the coast in the North Sea. The weather presenter who was introducing the sighting said it was unusual to see them here because they normally live in the cold artic waters. Quick as a flash the female anchor person suggested they had come down due to the sea warming.

This threw the weather guy but he recovered and said no, it's because the water is getting colder. Cue the anchor woman being totally bewildered at this, obviously counter intuitive to her belief system!

Glad her attempt to play the climate change card was nullified by the weather guy!
That's because it was weather, not climate. Right? wink

hidetheelephants

23,745 posts

192 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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It's only a matter of time until a rumour starts that voting for Corbyn will cause CAGW.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

265 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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I'll just leave this here...

Coldest summer EVA!!

2013BRM

39,731 posts

283 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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I spend a lot of time in Europe and this year has been bonkers, a heat wave lasting months in central Europe with locals saying it is unprecedented while Northern Europe has been bloody chilly, we are North by the way. So what's the deal? a lot of the pro CC bods say this is what was predicted

LongQ

13,864 posts

232 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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2013BRM said:
I spend a lot of time in Europe and this year has been bonkers, a heat wave lasting months in central Europe with locals saying it is unprecedented while Northern Europe has been bloody chilly, we are North by the way. So what's the deal? a lot of the pro CC bods say this is what was predicted
They can say that because over the years someone in the Pro CC ranks has predicted just about everything that one could imagine. All bases are covered and "peer reviewed".

The one thing they have not openly supported is the concept that both Climate and Weather can and do change constantly and sometimes substantially without any identifiable human input. That might suggest to people that there are "doubts" and the "Warm Words" Use of Language advisory training from a few years back was very clear that doubt, in any form, must not be expressed.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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AGW predicts there will be all sorts of weather in many places, so it must be true.

Meanwhile the lack of global warming continues, now ~19 years.

That wasn't predicted 20 years ago.

The Don of Croy

5,975 posts

158 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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We are all doomed - I happened to watch Channel 4 News yesterday when Jon Snow introduced a piece on El Nino.

Whatever 'bias' the beeb sprinkles over AGW pieces is nothing as to what these chaps dish out. Industrial strength BS with repeated 'global warming' references, appeals to authority (talking heads form the Uni of Reading) and doom laden prophecies. Overlaid with images of catastrophic flooding, forest fires, Britain under snow, dry river beds - you name it. So subtle. The term unprecedented was used, too.

Bottom line - we're at the halfway stage to catastrophic warming (1 degree warmer apparently) already and the Paris boondoggle needs some help to find a solution. This week there is also a warm-up meeting in Bonn, too, in case the delegates are not getting enough air miles or hotel points.

But thinking about that 1 degree - as postulated in the programme - if that's all that has been added after 300 years of industrialisation, much of which has been left behind and many lessons learned to streamline future production etc etc, then why is a further 1 degree a foregone conclusion? Surely, we do things differently now, even in developing economies?

Not to mention the alarming number of trees now present.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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2013BRM said:
a lot of the pro CC bods say this is what was predicted
Indeed. Yet many years ago they predicted no more snow... Google "snow is a thing of the past".

Then more recently (by astonishing coincidence when we had a couple of cold hard snow filled winters) I heard the AGW morons explain how more snow was predicted..........

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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the bbc talking st regards el nino as usual. one look at global sea surface temp anomaly maps will show that it is petering out and despite claims of strong el nino conditions most of the index regions show nothing of the sort,i think even bob tisdale is wrong on this one.

got to love steve goddard, he does not mince his words.

President Obama Piles On His Arctic Stupidity https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/pre...

does obama really not care he looks like a moron to anyone willing to do a bit of fact checking for themselves.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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All that and...no causality to human activity. Zero nada zilch.

Good efforts by C4 and the beeb though.

Next!

Otispunkmeyer

12,556 posts

154 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Jasandjules said:
2013BRM said:
a lot of the pro CC bods say this is what was predicted
Indeed. Yet many years ago they predicted no more snow... Google "snow is a thing of the past".

Then more recently (by astonishing coincidence when we had a couple of cold hard snow filled winters) I heard the AGW morons explain how more snow was predicted..........
Well the models produce such wildly different results for whatever alternate reality they model that they've probably just about predicted all possible outcomes. Therefore they cannot be wrong, by default one of them will be right and 1 sample point maketh a trend in this game.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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2013BRM said:
I spend a lot of time in Europe and this year has been bonkers, a heat wave lasting months in central Europe with locals saying it is unprecedented while Northern Europe has been bloody chilly, we are North by the way. So what's the deal? a lot of the pro CC bods say this is what was predicted
We had a place in Spain in the recent past, the locals were always complaining that summer didn't get as close to 50 deg C as it once frequently did, low to mid-40s was nothing.

Also there's some critical detail missing in articles, in May there were record temperatures (short timescale record as always but no matter) with the hottest on the Canary Islands but what wasn't widely reported was that the high temp in question was measured at Lanzarote Airport. Strike another notch for airport tarmac with jets rolling around. It was hot elsewhere of course but this type of short-term record keeping says nbothing much anyway and offers no causality.

jshell

11,006 posts

204 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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robinessex said:
Rejoice !!! Why? Well, it’s just been discovered we, the scientific community that is, have under estimated the number of trees on the planet by a factor of 8 or 10. That’s EIGHT oe TEN for those at the back not paying attention.. Now, ignorant me would’ve thought that trees, being a dam good absorber of CO2, are a very significant factor in the climate computer models, and, so, surely, it follows, if this new, vastly increased quantity of trees is stuffed into the old confuser, hey presto, we now have enough trees to absorb all the CO2 we require, and the planet is thus saved from cooking itself. Global warming now officially dead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3413...
The Scotsman Newspaper has turned this story into one of: 'Argh, more Climate Alarm, we're killing trees faster than ever, run for the windmills, we're going to roast I tell ee!!!'

wkers!

http://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/half-of-w...

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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2013BRM said:
I spend a lot of time in Europe and this year has been bonkers, a heat wave lasting months in central Europe with locals saying it is unprecedented while Northern Europe has been bloody chilly, we are North by the way. So what's the deal? a lot of the pro CC bods say this is what was predicted
Continental Europe always has periodic heatwaves, as well as periodic severe winters, that is the nature of continental weather. As with our own July record, a lot of the stats spouted have been 'cooked'. Increased urbanization does produce amplification of hot weather, but that isn't global warming. Memory is also very subjective - there was a rip down of some environmentalist's US subjective comments, it showed the weather records proved it was far hotter and wilder in his youth - but that wasn't his recollection.

It has also been a very cold winter in the S. hemisphere, with much of July in Australia being well below normal, but strangely the NOAA maps still show it as orange-red as above average!

hidetheelephants

23,745 posts

192 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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There's nothing like callously exploiting the death of an infant to pump nonsense into the ether. Ashdown has just been on the news pontificating about the refugee crisis. Not satisfied with this he then elaborated saying that this situation will be insignificant compared to the refugee crisis that will inevitably created by climate change. vomit

Jinx

11,345 posts

259 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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hidetheelephants said:
There's nothing like callously exploiting the death of an infant to pump nonsense into the ether. Ashdown has just been on the news pontificating about the refugee crisis. Not satisfied with this he then elaborated saying that this situation will be insignificant compared to the refugee crisis that will inevitably created by climate change. vomit
He may be right - as we head into an ice age and the EU has done nothing to protect our energy supplies we may be forced to travel to Africa to survive.....

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/9/4/un...

More on Emma Thompson and the BBC.

And I thought comedy was dead...hehe
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