Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[Richyboy]

Scientist resigns over global warming scam:

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/reasonmclucus/reasonmclu...

Probably already posted, when is this bloody country going to warm up.

And the money in this warming business lol-

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/02/jagadish-shu...

Why not have an independent non-corrupt organisation that vets scientific research to stop all this damn troughing.

[LongQ]

Richyboy said:

Scientist resigns over global warming scam:

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/reasonmclucus/reasonmclu...

That was 5 years ago and the gentleman concerned died the following year.

Have any others followed his honourable example since then?

There may be a few but I don't recall such news hitting the presses.

[turbobloke]

LongQ said:

Richyboy said:

Scientist resigns over global warming scam:

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/reasonmclucus/reasonmclu...

That was 5 years ago and the gentleman concerned died the following year.

Have any others followed his honourable example since then?

There may be a few but I don't recall such news hitting the presses.

Reasons for resignation can differ but the malign aspects of faux certainty from the green blob are around and about, this from 2014:

http://www.thegwpf.org/lennart-bengtsson-resigns-g...

[turbobloke]

Posted by steveT350C in another thread but relevant here too.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/there-is...

[turbobloke]

Good piece by Booker over the weekend on the reason why there will be no globally enforceable treaty (other than a meaningless fudge) emerging from Paris.

[br d]

mybrainhurts said:

India wants $ trillions...

Milk it like you stole it, lads....

Like that, a lot.

[Mr GrimNasty]

"India, the last big emitter to publish its contribution, said it would need $2.5 trillion to meet its targets."

And some sources say 'its target' will still mean a rapid tripling of Indian emissions and no guarantee to cut thereafter!

[Jasandjules]

Mr GrimNasty said:

"India, the last big emitter to publish its contribution, said it would need $2.5 trillion to meet its targets."

And some sources say 'its target' will still mean a rapid tripling of Indian emissions and no guarantee to cut thereafter!

Why does it need money to stop? Simply tax everyone to death who emits... They will soon stop. No reason for us to pay out to them....

[Scuffers]

Jasandjules said:

Why does it need money to stop? Simply tax everyone to death who emits... They will soon stop. No reason for us to pay out to them....

At which point, their steel industry would not be able to undercut the UKs.

[Mr GrimNasty]

The carrot or the stick, this could get very philosophical!

[hidetheelephants]

The morons at the Grauniad are banging on again about how it's so unfair climate conferences keep producing nothing but hot air and how solar panels will save us all from a fate that's almost certain to be worse than we thought.

[turbobloke]

Believer fools and their reputation will eventually be parted.

[TheExcession]

turbobloke said:

Believer fools and their reputation will eventually be parted.

We've been saying this for years now, the issue is how to turn the tide.

Turning the fools towards enlightened, educated intelligent people is the tricky bit.

The windy mills people are easily stamped down by a simple look at Grid Watch. (The Irish figures are harder to find and just as woeful).

Why we are still suffering this Green Energy nonsense - I just don't know - it makes no sense to me.

[LongQ]

TheExcession said:

turbobloke said:

Believer fools and their reputation will eventually be parted.

We've been saying this for years now, the issue is how to turn the tide.

Turning the fools towards enlightened, educated intelligent people is the tricky bit.

The windy mills people are easily stamped down by a simple look at Grid Watch. (The Irish figures are harder to find and just as woeful).

Why we are still suffering this Green Energy nonsense - I just don't know - it makes no sense to me.

Vesta'd interests I think.

[Ali G]

Mr GrimNasty said:

The carrot or the stick, this could get very philosophical!

[philosophical mode = off]
Stick the carrot where it makes the eyes water.
[philosophical mode = on]

And in other news, Redcar Steel plant closes - totally unassociated with Green driven energy price rises.

[robinessex]

hidetheelephants said:

The morons at the Grauniad are banging on again about how it's so unfair climate conferences keep producing nothing but hot air and how solar panels will save us all from a fate that's almost certain to be worse than we thought.

Quote from the Guardian article:-

More of that later. First a recap.

Six months ago, the Guardian took a stand on climate change with an editorial push and campaign.

So it's an editorial push is it? Just one guy with a bee in his bonnet, and we get pages and pages of bks. Talk about an abuse of 'power'.

[Pesty]

Models are wrong and climates sensitivity to CO2 not as bad as thought.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/miranda-devine-...


Not sure about the authenticity of this one. Put it up anyway

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 6th October 14:55

[turbobloke]

Pesty said:

Models are wrong and climates sensitivity to CO2 not as bad as thought.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/miranda-devine-...


Not sure about the authenticity of this one. Put it up anyway

Fair enough!

Article said:

A former climate modeller for the Government’s Australian Greenhouse Office, with six degrees in applied mathematics, Dr Evans has unpacked the architecture of the basic climate model which underpins all climate science.

He has found that, while the underlying physics of the model is correct, it had been applied incorrectly.

He has fixed two errors and the new corrected model finds the climate’s sensitivity to carbon dioxide (CO2) is much lower than was thought.

It turns out the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has over-estimated future global warming by as much as 10 times, he says.

The author highlights a key point in an unwitting error - climate models underpin climate politics, empirical unfudged data underpins climate science.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Pesty said:

Models are wrong and climates sensitivity to CO2 not as bad as thought.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/miranda-devine-...


Not sure about the authenticity of this one. Put it up anyway

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 6th October 14:55

Jo Nova site has been running a series of articles titled 'New Science #'. critique of the models.

Allegedly, when they the modellers themselves run them without the CO2 increase, they much more accurately predict temperature, as does the 'simplified' model produced by a skeptic!

Got themselves in a bit of a pickle now though, the observed temperatures are so adjusted no accurate model can correctly reconcile them!

[traxx]

Finally got round to watching Cowspiracy on Netflix - overall definitely worth a watch
Certainly gives you some great facts to quote next time someone starts talking about emissions



http://www.cowspiracy.com