Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
robinessex said:
It happens all the time.Trees do it.
robinessex said:
WE KNOW THAT. Which is why, when they got the world tree count wrong by a factor of 10, the nail in the coffin of climate change models finally went in. Funny how it never got much/any publicity though, isn't it ?
So they don't recognise it. That doesn't make it not happen but does mandate that it should be ignored.What has always amazed me about the blatant disregard for reality shown in some parts is that many people, including the Government, STILL talk in terms of WHEN rather than IF CCS will happen. They then include an assumption that it will be working relatively soon in policy models and let that distortion continue well past the time by which alternatives have been considered, funded and development started.
So are they total idiots or do they have vested interests in other outcomes? Or both?
LongQ said:
robinessex said:
It happens all the time.Trees do it.
Concrete also.
robinessex said:
WE KNOW THAT. Which is why, when they got the world tree count wrong by a factor of 10, the nail in the coffin of climate change models finally went in. Funny how it never got much/any publicity though, isn't it ?
As the Kyoto delegate all those years ago once said, planting trees is OK but it won't bring about the societal changes being sought.
robinessex said:
The hype has started. The Beeb website is full of climate b
ks this morning, the TV as well
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment
I heard several BBC Radio news bulletins through the night. Every single one commenced with "climate activists all over the world...." are getting ready to make a bloody fools' nuisance of themselves today..blah...over to Roger Harbinger-of-Doom Harrabin, our climate analyst.ks this morning, the TV as wellhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment
The fools didn't need the yst...
It would seem that France is about to cull quite a few of its Nuclear plants and go for renewables instead.
http://euanmearns.com/blowout-week-100/
and then scroll down a fair way to the story. It links to an FT report so probably best to stick with the precis unless you have FT access.
That should put some pressure on our politicos to do something more swiftly about developing some proper electricity generating capacity.
However, since we and many other countries in the EU are going to miss the 2020 carbon targets I would guess that our "leaders" will seek way to reduce consumption rather than increase capacity.
Obviously culling a few million old people who are unable to pay the costs involved will help the cause. Regrettable of course - but at least it might have the additional benefit of freeing up a lot of underutilised accommodation sorely needed for all the young, thrusting families eager to get into the UK in order to support our efforts save the planet.
How much do we want to be part of the EU when France goes belly up?
http://euanmearns.com/blowout-week-100/
and then scroll down a fair way to the story. It links to an FT report so probably best to stick with the precis unless you have FT access.
That should put some pressure on our politicos to do something more swiftly about developing some proper electricity generating capacity.
However, since we and many other countries in the EU are going to miss the 2020 carbon targets I would guess that our "leaders" will seek way to reduce consumption rather than increase capacity.
Obviously culling a few million old people who are unable to pay the costs involved will help the cause. Regrettable of course - but at least it might have the additional benefit of freeing up a lot of underutilised accommodation sorely needed for all the young, thrusting families eager to get into the UK in order to support our efforts save the planet.
How much do we want to be part of the EU when France goes belly up?
LongQ said:
It would seem that France is about to cull quite a few of its Nuclear plants and go for renewables instead.
http://euanmearns.com/blowout-week-100/
and then scroll down a fair way to the story. It links to an FT report so probably best to stick with the precis unless you have FT access.
That should put some pressure on our politicos to do something more swiftly about developing some proper electricity generating capacity.
However, since we and many other countries in the EU are going to miss the 2020 carbon targets I would guess that our "leaders" will seek way to reduce consumption rather than increase capacity.
Obviously culling a few million old people who are unable to pay the costs involved will help the cause. Regrettable of course - but at least it might have the additional benefit of freeing up a lot of underutilised accommodation sorely needed for all the young, thrusting families eager to get into the UK in order to support our efforts save the planet.
How much do we want to be part of the EU when France goes belly up?
http://euanmearns.com/blowout-week-100/
and then scroll down a fair way to the story. It links to an FT report so probably best to stick with the precis unless you have FT access.
That should put some pressure on our politicos to do something more swiftly about developing some proper electricity generating capacity.
However, since we and many other countries in the EU are going to miss the 2020 carbon targets I would guess that our "leaders" will seek way to reduce consumption rather than increase capacity.
Obviously culling a few million old people who are unable to pay the costs involved will help the cause. Regrettable of course - but at least it might have the additional benefit of freeing up a lot of underutilised accommodation sorely needed for all the young, thrusting families eager to get into the UK in order to support our efforts save the planet.
How much do we want to be part of the EU when France goes belly up?
Opportunity for a private equity group to buy the 'surplus' nuclear capacity and export the power to the UK? May be not, given Hollande is about as anti-business as it's possible to be.robinessex said:
Scenario. We can't produce enough electricity. Solution. Up the cost of it, so no one can afford it !!! Yea, that should work.
I think the strategy has achieved its aims so far - except for the carbon reduction part of it.I anticipate either fudging the figures or ..... fudging some other figures.
Might the numbers work if, say, net immigration (a number plucked out of thin atmosphere?) suddenly 'showed' that a "stunning" under estimation of the numbers arriving in the country via speedboat from France had meant that the CPC (Carbon per Capita) calculations were"wildly" wrong and, in "fact", UK emissions were well ahead of target?
It is sort of interesting that the "Government" estimate of housebuilding needs broadly under performs the ability of people to arrive in the country.
Let's hope that most of the new arrivals have retained at least some of their obvious wealth (I'm not sure I could afford the cost of the journey by any method) and bring with them the skills needed to build accommodation (to EU standards) that they aspire to (as a minimum) and will satisfy their families when they arrive.
I note that Osborne seems to think that "starter homes" are all that is required.
Hmm. One up, one down, bathroom and, maybe, a separately identifiable kitchen?
Right.
Lets hope that the poor sods who buy into that dream have no intention of breeding. (Which would, of course, be very Green. At least in theory.)
I get the impression that the "Northern Powerhouse" is not so much an aspiration as a necessity. Southern economics in the UK makes less sense than ever.
That said if the south were forced to stop breeding and to live in tiny homes, quite like caves, there may be half a chance of hitting the "carbon" targets. The purpose, like the purpose of the Cargo Cult, would have been subsumed into something no longer identifiable years before.
Alternatively Putin, Erdogan and the Ukrainians save us the agony of worrying about it at all.
zygalski said:
Neither do the PH faithful, so it would seem...
How could a few PH'ers have any influence?PH is hardly the National Broadcaster (is it?)
The Tax funded national broadcaster with a requirement for impartiality and balance as part of its charter.
Still, perhaps "climate activists" rioting does indeed send an impartial message.
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/11/29/...
Natalie Car-Crash Bennett changes her name to Natalie Titanic Bennett....
Natalie Car-Crash Bennett changes her name to Natalie Titanic Bennett....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3337802/Gr...
Prince Charles trying to impose his delusions on Ministers.
When the lights go out, we'll be able to call him the Prince of Darkness.
Prince Charles trying to impose his delusions on Ministers.
When the lights go out, we'll be able to call him the Prince of Darkness.
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