Next technical challenge.. cv boot thingy

Next technical challenge.. cv boot thingy

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renmure

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4,213 posts

223 months

Saturday 3rd January 2015
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Thanks to everyone for their advice re my quest to remove my rear clam so I can remove my exhaust silencers and do stuff to get some more beefy noise. So far ... so good. smile

However, with the rear of the car on axle stands I have found something that I think needs fixing frown

Remember, I am not really technically minded but even I can see that the rubber boot thing that goes over the inboard cv joint has burst and there is some grease splattered around.



Thankfully I do have access to a mate who is good with spanners and the like, but can I just ask how you would go about fixing/changing this?

Is there a simple idiot proof way to do it?
Is it a factory specific part that I need or..?
Also, do I need to replace the grease that has splattered away and if so, with what?

Sorry if it is all simple stuff but a boy has to start somewhere biggrin

Finally, Google threw up a split boot thing (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Split-CV-Joint-Driveshaft-Boot-Gaiter-kit-EASY-FIT-/251130239652) which fitted over the shaft and then bonded together which seemed to me to be a simple way to do it without taking things to bits. Would something like that work?

Obviously, advice appreciated.

Jim






Ult-Jim

624 posts

189 months

Saturday 3rd January 2015
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Yes it makes a right mess! I replaced my metal ties that somehow worked loose with good quality plastic cable ties that fitted the rubber boot perfectly. I used Comma CV & Lith-Moly grease, sold in Halfords. 2,000 miles of road blats & a track day have passed by & still holding good for me. I was lucky my rubber boot was in perfect condition and not torn. Hard to tell by the photo but yours may be damaged. Best to consult the Factory for correct part and tips for fitting. They are very helpful.

Nabbott

294 posts

135 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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I did this job on both sides earlier this year - it's a nice easy job that could be done by someone with limited spanner/tool time.

Firstly inspect all the other boots, then phone the factory and order the spares. Probably best to check with them what the torque settings are (they are different at the gearbox and hub ends) but a search on here should turn up the figures.

Remove the drive shaft, Allen key bolts. The ends (of the drive shaft) are held on by a large circlip, remove this, inspect the 'knuckle' , slide the end off, replace the boot, repack with the grease (the factory have small packs of the correct grease), reassemble and refit with the correct torque settings. You'll obviously need a Torque wrench, hex bits and external circlip pliers (a tub of parts cleaning fluid would be a good idea as well). Good justification of 'tool investment' 😃smile

Hope that helps.

Racing Roj

488 posts

162 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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Morning Ken
I also had to replace the drivers side outer cv joint boot as it was leaking. I was given a couple of boots which are slightly different from the standard type in that the larger end is pressed into a steel collar that then doesn't require the clips. In all a lot neater job. It looks like they are off a VW Bora. The reference on the boot is BT-177. I also use Red Line CV2, high performance grease ( used in my racing days). Also you may need some help removing one of the CV joints once you have removed the shaft. They are tight on the shaft need a press or a drift to remove.
Roj

Racing Roj

488 posts

162 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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Racing Roj

488 posts

162 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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Racing Roj

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renmure

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4,213 posts

223 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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Thanks to everyone, and also to Mark for the helpful email. Much appreciated smile
Thanks also for the photos Rog. As a beginner.. I like photos!!

I have started the clean up job. Thankfully there seems to be really good access. Might need to buy Mrs R some new dish towels tho before she finds out. Didn't realise dirty grease was so dirty and greasy. Ooops!

The Italian

136 posts

121 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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http://interparts.com/pdf/numericallisting-cvboot.... for detailed sizes, but I think these are China Made
for NON-China parts;<http://shopping.boraparts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1376>

Storer

5,024 posts

214 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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Not knowing how many miles the car has covered, you may well find it worth while replacing them all. They are not that expensive and may save having to have it apart again at a later date to do another.

A tip is to use liquid gasket on the joint between the gearbox flange and the driveshaft to keep the grease from escaping. I use a non-hardening blue sealant and never have a seepage.

Also, do a few miles in the car once you have changed the gaters, then check the torque on the allen bolts again. They may need tightening.


Paul

mmgt

78 posts

127 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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Storer said:
Not knowing how many miles the car has covered, you may well find it worth while replacing them all. They are not that expensive and may save having to have it apart again at a later date to do another.

A tip is to use liquid gasket on the joint between the gearbox flange and the driveshaft to keep the grease from escaping. I use a non-hardening blue sealant and never have a seepage.

Also, do a few miles in the car once you have changed the gaters, then check the torque on the allen bolts again. They may need tightening.


Paul


A point of note..the cv's boots and all bolts where replaced for the begining of the 2014 season. always had a little problem with that l/h inner boot must of just been a faulty new part all the others gave no problems.

Mark.

renmure

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4,213 posts

223 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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mmgt said:


A point of note..the cv's boots and all bolts where replaced for the begining of the 2014 season. always had a little problem with that l/h inner boot must of just been a faulty new part all the others gave no problems.

Mark.
I only agreed to buy the car because you said these boots had all been changed.
Grrr!!! Can't trust anyone these days!! Wish I had kept my receipt biggrin

Anyhow, I am enjoying this techy stuff. As the least technical person in the world I find myself in the unusual situation of having an Ultima in my garage, rear clam removed, back wheels off, car on axle stands, exhaust silencers and manifolds removed, rear cv boot awaiting repair whilst I potter away for a couple of hours cleaning the engine and gearbox..... and I get the bonus of surfing the internet buying tubs of grease. Just as well Mrs R got a Halfords Professional Socket Set for Christmas (yes, seriously) Once I buy her new dish towels she might even let me use it!! smile

V8Dom

3,546 posts

201 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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renmure said:
mmgt said:


A point of note..the cv's boots and all bolts where replaced for the begining of the 2014 season. always had a little problem with that l/h inner boot must of just been a faulty new part all the others gave no problems.

Mark.
I only agreed to buy the car because you said these boots had all been changed.
Grrr!!! Can't trust anyone these days!! Wish I had kept my receipt biggrin

Anyhow, I am enjoying this techy stuff. As the least technical person in the world I find myself in the unusual situation of having an Ultima in my garage, rear clam removed, back wheels off, car on axle stands, exhaust silencers and manifolds removed, rear cv boot awaiting repair whilst I potter away for a couple of hours cleaning the engine and gearbox..... and I get the bonus of surfing the internet buying tubs of grease. Just as well Mrs R got a Halfords Professional Socket Set for Christmas (yes, seriously) Once I buy her new dish towels she might even let me use it!! smile
sounds to me the cv boots are a good excuse to get to know your car and tinker as far as the misses is concerned.

dont worry.. we are all here to help.. the cv boot change is easy enough and cheap too...

have you found the parts or do you want the part numbers and supplier i used last year


dom

renmure

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4,213 posts

223 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Thanks Dom. I have ordered a cv boot and a tub of Rog's Grease (ooh err!!)

It would be helpful if you (or someone else) knew off-hand what the torque thingy on the Allan Bolts should be. (My own Googling brings up 30 lbft for the outer ones and 60 lbft for the inner ones but I would appreciate some reassurance there) smile

Ult-Jim

624 posts

189 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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renmure said:
It would be helpful if you (or someone else) knew off-hand what the torque thingy on the Allan Bolts should be. (My own Googling brings up 30 lbft for the outer ones and 60 lbft for the inner ones but I would appreciate some reassurance there) smile
My notes that came with my purchased car state the same 60 inner & 30 outer.

macgtech

997 posts

158 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Ult-Jim said:
My notes that came with my purchased car state the same 60 inner & 30 outer.
That is correct

ROWDYRENAULT

1,270 posts

213 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Jim: Most of us started a bit earlier on the mechanic stuff. That just means we pissed off our mom instead of our wife. Oh well, our moms might withhold cookies for a few days put you know moms, they love regardless of what head up your tail pipe move you made. Our Wive's hopefully love us but they can withhold more than cookies. My first encounter with this problem was when I brought my rims and tires into the house and washed them in my moms bath tub, not my best idea. Bottom line is buy your own rags for the shop but under no circumstances wash them in the washing machine. Trust me on that one, when the grease from your rag gets on your wives apron, that apron becomes a multi 100 dollar designer dress. Fair? no, real? oh yea. Good luck on your adventures with the Ultima, Lee

The Italian

136 posts

121 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Well put Lee -good one.

Reminds me when I rolled my Harley into the living room to watch TV while I polished that horrible hunk of iron.

Mike

renmure

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4,213 posts

223 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2015
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Thought I would proudly announce my success at changing the CV boot. Wasn't quite as straight forward as I had hoped for and I did end up bravely unbolting the outer joint as well in order to get the shaft off and get the inner cv joint off... but that was worth it in order to walk into the kitchen to show Mrs R that I had dismantled a bit of a car!!

I think the last time I did that I was standing in the rain outside Halfords for 20 mins trying to fit a windscreen wiper rubber (and just wishing I had given the bloke in the shop the £5 ransom for him to do it)

Anyhow, thanks to everyone for the encouragement (and especially Mark for answering my 182 emails asking for clarification on bits) smile

Next step is to take the car to a specialist exhaust place next tuesday to have custom unbaffled, straight through silencers fitted. I am anticipating lots of noise... and flames. Lots of flames!! wink

Storer

5,024 posts

214 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2015
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Not sure you will get lots of flames.

Glad you have had a successful first repair job. There is a great feeling when you succeed in fixing your own car, especially if it is outside your comfort zone.


You seem to have a fairly eclectic fleet of cars in your profile.
Most I understand, but the Grand Vitara and Fiat 500 are hard to fathom!


Paul