1989 S listed on Ebay.

[robinlarry]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tvr-S1-280i-Only-56000-m...

[phillpot]

Also here and already picked up in this thread .

[glenrobbo]

Mike,

They are two different cars.

The one on PH Classifieds, priced at a reasonable £8500 ( IF the front indicator lenses are intact ) has done 65,000 miles, whereas the one on eBay has done only 56,000 miles.


I recommend asking the vendor if he would give discount if someone were to buy them both

I think we would all agree, they are both the best colour

Edited by glenrobbo on Thursday 8th January 10:06

[Kitchski]

For that money, I'd want pictures of the chassis up close, as well as pictures of the bare chassis itself. They might well have them, but on an S it's the number one thing to check so you'd think they'd plaster them all over the ad!

[AutoAndy]

i expect the mods will pick up on it soon...the ad has all the right selling words...."appreciating classic" with 5 exclamation marks!!!!

[TVRees]

The PH ad is a little older but the reg. no. looks the same on both. Maybe the seller drove in reverse a bit before putting it for sale on eBay to get the miles down - that's always a good trick.
I do appreciate every classic !!!!!

[magpies]

I would suggest the mileage is just a typo error - 65 and 56 don't know which one is correct tho

[Barry S1]

I met him last year, don't think he's used it just likes working on cars, I think he's got a Cerb now,would be a good buy but very expensive for a S1

[Alan Whitaker]

Hi Mick
Think you are right on the mileage being a typo.
At 8 1/2 K would think the reserve would be quite high ?. Not enough info or pictures to buy blind. Still 10 bids and up to £3100 we will see how it does. Not enough in the add for me and I would like it certified by the pope.

Alan

[Barry S1]

Don't think it will go cheap seem to remember he spent a lot of money on it

[robinlarry]

He states 170/200 hp/tq so I expect there also was some engine work done on the 2.8.

[phillpot]

robinlarry said:

He states 170/200 hp/tq so I expect there also was some engine work done on the 2.8.

Or another typo error? (along with the 35mpg)



Figures for the Cologne engines tend to vary a bit depending where you look but 200lb/ft of torque is maybe a little ambitious

TVR S1 2.8i specs.

Edited by phillpot on Friday 9th January 09:13

[Kitchski]

phillpot said:

robinlarry said:

He states 170/200 hp/tq so I expect there also was some engine work done on the 2.8.

Or another typo error? (along with the 35mpg)



Figures for the Cologne engines tend to vary a bit depending where you look but 200lb/ft of torque is maybe a little ambitious

TVR S1 2.8i specs.

Edited by phillpot on Friday 9th January 09:13

160bhp is being ambitious!

[Barry S1]

Not as ambitious as the price

[Kitchski]

Reassuring that it made it to £5k+. That's not too bad for an S1, especially with no evidence of chassis TLC.

[XK140]

Kitchski said:

Reassuring that it made it to £5k+. That's not too bad for an S1, especially with no evidence of chassis TLC.

I don't really think so.The dealer had it up at £8k and it failed to meet his reserve.The price it reached was perhaps less than the dealer paid for it.However Ebay is not the place to get a good price,he must have wanted some winter cash flow.
Since a lot of work had been done to it I would assume the chassis was also restored accordingly,unless anyone knows different.
Since I own a good S I'm all for talking prices up and not down

[Kitchski]

XK140 said:

Kitchski said:

Reassuring that it made it to £5k+. That's not too bad for an S1, especially with no evidence of chassis TLC.

I don't really think so.The dealer had it up at £8k and it failed to meet his reserve.The price it reached was perhaps less than the dealer paid for it.However Ebay is not the place to get a good price,he must have wanted some winter cash flow.
Since a lot of work had been done to it I would assume the chassis was also restored accordingly,unless anyone knows different.
Since I own a good S I'm all for talking prices up and not down

I own a (what will be excellent when finished) 1989 S1, and though I'd like high prices too, I'm being realistic. There was no photo evidence of a refurbished chassis (the no.1 expense on an S) and it didn't pop out in the under bonnet picture so I can only assume it's ok, but largely an unknown (if pictures surfaced of a recent chassis refurb I'll take the whole thing back.
You also have to remember, this is an S1. A mint S2, 3 or 4 would fetch more as more people prefer the 2.9 engine. Where the best S1's score is for those who deliberately choose the S1, whether it's for noise, simplicity, purity....whatever. I would say £5-6k is money I'd expect to pay for a good S1, with the ultimate cars being in the £6-7k region.
If a dealer paid more than £4500 for that car, they're in for a bad time IMO.

[XK140]

Kitchski said:

XK140 said:

Kitchski said:

Reassuring that it made it to £5k+. That's not too bad for an S1, especially with no evidence of chassis TLC.

I don't really think so.The dealer had it up at £8k and it failed to meet his reserve.The price it reached was perhaps less than the dealer paid for it.However Ebay is not the place to get a good price,he must have wanted some winter cash flow.
Since a lot of work had been done to it I would assume the chassis was also restored accordingly,unless anyone knows different.
Since I own a good S I'm all for talking prices up and not down

I own a (what will be excellent when finished) 1989 S1, and though I'd like high prices too, I'm being realistic. There was no photo evidence of a refurbished chassis (the no.1 expense on an S) and it didn't pop out in the under bonnet picture so I can only assume it's ok, but largely an unknown (if pictures surfaced of a recent chassis refurb I'll take the whole thing back.
You also have to remember, this is an S1. A mint S2, 3 or 4 would fetch more as more people prefer the 2.9 engine. Where the best S1's score is for those who deliberately choose the S1, whether it's for noise, simplicity, purity....whatever. I would say £5-6k is money I'd expect to pay for a good S1, with the ultimate cars being in the £6-7k region.
If a dealer paid more than £4500 for that car, they're in for a bad time IMO.

Only opinions and you are just as likely to be correct as I am.
But what we can probably agree on is that for no apparent reason the S series are somewhat undervalued as a whole.
The values of many classics have gone up a lot over the last 10 years (e.g.Lotus Elan about 100%!) and I'm amazed often by the prices now of things that have zero appeal whatsoever to me (e.g.certain old Fords,Minivans...) and today I came across this,at random:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C575547
...interior still to do,crappy pop up roof,yet valued by the owner beyond a concours 'S'V6 !!!
I can only conclude that the average classic buyer distrusts fibre glass cars sometimes and TVR's in particular.
Anyway,my S3 will be maintained as it should be and as such I think will always be worth at least what I paid for it...good enough I suppose.

[TVRees]

Here's another one. This time on PH.
Mileage is a little high, but the price could be OK, considering the work which has been done.

[Kitchski]

I agree they're undervalued. It's probably the engine that does it - the V8S isn't worth a considerable amount more because it's quite rare.

In fact, I can't think of any Cologne-propelled cars that are worth strong (like £10k +) money. Capri Brooklands maybe, but that's only because it's a Ltd edition of a car that blokes get all nostalgic and weepy over. The Escort RS Turbos are heading exactly the same way.

V6 S models, and Chimaeras. Performance/sports car bargains of the century for me. Even mine (which, if I was a paying customer would be undergoing a nearly £10k refurbishment & upgrade) would be struggling to crack £6k if I sold it, all ready to go. They're definitely undervalued, but then at the same time if they weren't I probably wouldn't have one, so horses for courses