Looking at A4 Avant 2.0T

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Gavstar

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1,305 posts

239 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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Morning people. I have an e91 LCI 320d BMW Touring and due to very low mileage am looking to switch back to petrol. Started looking at A4 Avant for about £11k. What should I be looking for? S Line is a given but what else? I guess I'm looking at around a 58 plate which is what I have, so was this a facelift year? I also would want Quattro if making the switch to an Audi.
Any advice welcome!

terenceb

1,488 posts

170 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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Why do you need to go quatro, be mindful of the fact they carry quite a weight penalty because of the quatro running gear.
I ran the diesel version from new in 07 till 2010, excellent car, reassuring grip levels and once chipped it would cruise at 100mph (autobarhns of course)
It would return 47mpg! Going back to grip, it was also very good in snow, which is my reason for asking why quatro.Overall a very well screwed together car, interior panels have nice gapping/fit with no rattles, seats are comfortable (LeMans -Calais in one hit on one occasion-speed cameras were all facing north!) As a workhorse with the rear seats folded down its quite surprising how much they hold.I sold it to a ph member who I think still has the car so I assume he is happy with it as much as myself.
2008 did have some changes-for the better, as you would expect.

S6OOH

1,068 posts

256 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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I have a B7 2.0 TFSi Quattro Avant S-line would highly recommend

Edited by S6OOH on Saturday 31st January 15:12

Gavstar

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1,305 posts

239 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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terenceb said:
Why do you need to go quatro, be mindful of the fact they carry quite a weight penalty because of the quatro running gear.
I ran the diesel version from new in 07 till 2010, excellent car, reassuring grip levels and once chipped it would cruise at 100mph (autobarhns of course)
It would return 47mpg! Going back to grip, it was also very good in snow, which is my reason for asking why quatro.Overall a very well screwed together car, interior panels have nice gapping/fit with no rattles, seats are comfortable (LeMans -Calais in one hit on one occasion-speed cameras were all facing north!) As a workhorse with the rear seats folded down its quite surprising how much they hold.I sold it to a ph member who I think still has the car so I assume he is happy with it as much as myself.
2008 did have some changes-for the better, as you would expect.
Quattro purely for additional grip. With winters becoming more often snowy, with a car full of wife and kids I'd feel happier with 4WD stability.

Is the 2.0T a good option? I'd look at remapping it, as have done with my 320d. How do the petrol turbos pull? Anything to be aware of in terms of engines, and year of car etc? When was the facelift and what changed?

Gavstar

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239 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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S6OOH said:
I have a B7 2.0 TFSi Quattro Avant S-line chipped to 250 bhp and 316 lb ft of torque and would highly recommend
Ah, hello mate!

silentbrown

8,793 posts

115 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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Disclaimer : I drive a '09 2.0 A4 Avant TFSI Quattro, B8 version. Not modded.

I expect your budget would stretch to a B8, which has a much more space inside compared to the B7.

Generally, it's a great engine, lots of torque, but still enjoys revs. I think Quattro is a must, particularly if you want to chip it.

The only major concern on the 20.TFSI engine in the B8 is the oil consumption problems. Various different factors, but potentially require an engine rebuild with new pistons/rings, even on lowish mileage examples. Consumption an be as much as a litre of oil per tank of fuel, apparently! Audi apparently will offer significant goodwill contributions on cars with main dealer service history, but I wouldn't count on that. Ideally find a car that's had it sorted already smile

Spec-wise, look for leather and tech pack (satnav/bleutooth/audi music interface). The satnav isn't 'full postcode' buy amazingly they didn't fix that until the 2012 facelift...

Not sure why you think "s-line is a given"?



Gavstar

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239 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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silentbrown said:
Disclaimer : I drive a '09 2.0 A4 Avant TFSI Quattro, B8 version. Not modded.

I expect your budget would stretch to a B8, which has a much more space inside compared to the B7.

Generally, it's a great engine, lots of torque, but still enjoys revs. I think Quattro is a must, particularly if you want to chip it.

The only major concern on the 20.TFSI engine in the B8 is the oil consumption problems. Various different factors, but potentially require an engine rebuild with new pistons/rings, even on lowish mileage examples. Consumption an be as much as a litre of oil per tank of fuel, apparently! Audi apparently will offer significant goodwill contributions on cars with main dealer service history, but I wouldn't count on that. Ideally find a car that's had it sorted already smile

Spec-wise, look for leather and tech pack (satnav/bleutooth/audi music interface). The satnav isn't 'full postcode' buy amazingly they didn't fix that until the 2012 facelift...

Not sure why you think "s-line is a given"?
Yes, just been looking at a B8 09 with 76k on the clock. Has had a cambelt warranty replacement but no mention of oil consumption issues, which sound slightly alarming. Any views on running costs compared to my 320d?
S Line is a given for me as I want the sportier look.

silentbrown

8,793 posts

115 months

Saturday 17th January 2015
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Gavstar said:
S Line is a given for me as I want the sportier look.
I'm not really sure what S-line gives in that area? Slightly bigger wheels (which many non S-line cars will have anyway) and a bunch of badges? 2.0TFSI's are rare enough that I wouldn't rule out a well specced SE or similar - You can always change the wheels later...

Cost wise, reckon on around 30-32MPG for a quattro car: More if you're doing lots of m-way at sub 85-lepton speeds. With fuel costs predicted to fall further/stay low for a few years, it's a good time to be back in a petrol car.

Good deals on main dealer servicing on older cars (£159 interim, £309 inspection)

Can't usefully compare prices with BMW as the last one I had was an E28 M5...

va1o

16,029 posts

206 months

Sunday 18th January 2015
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Definitely go for a B8, which should be do-able on your budget. I think the B7 would feel like a noticeable step back from your LCI E91

MancDan

64 posts

148 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I have a 2009 B8 A4 Avant 2.0TFSi Quattro Multitronic (7 speed & similar to DSG)

I have only owned it for 4 months, but absolutely love it. It has plenty of pull (must be the Revo re-map) and the quality & spec compared to the B7 I had previously is such a step up.

As for MPG, yes I can achieve 35-38 on a steady motorway run, but constant town driving only gets me around 20mpg.
Just filled up today with Super Unleaded (due to Revo) at a cost of £61 for 55 litres, and I achieved 238 miles for that full tank.




lemonslap

960 posts

154 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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MancDan said:
I have a 2009 B8 A4 Avant 2.0TFSi Quattro Multitronic (7 speed & similar to DSG)

I have only owned it for 4 months, but absolutely love it. It has plenty of pull (must be the Revo re-map) and the quality & spec compared to the B7 I had previously is such a step up.

As for MPG, yes I can achieve 35-38 on a steady motorway run, but constant town driving only gets me around 20mpg.
Just filled up today with Super Unleaded (due to Revo) at a cost of £61 for 55 litres, and I achieved 238 miles for that full tank.

Looks lovely.

The following isn't meant as a dig, but....

As your fuel economy is the same as my S4, is there any point in owning the 2.0tfsi?

Maracus

4,229 posts

167 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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MancDan said:
I have a 2009 B8 A4 Avant 2.0TFSi Quattro Multitronic (7 speed & similar to DSG)
There's no such thing as a Multitronic Quattro nerd nice colour though smile

Multitronics are only fitted to FWD Audis (and some SEATS).

OP - I had a B7 2.0T Q Tiptronic, definitely look at a B8. More interior space and a lot more modern, the B7 interior is from 2001.

Edited by Maracus on Monday 19th January 19:52

Freedomfighter

169 posts

129 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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MancDan said:
I have a 2009 B8 A4 Avant 2.0TFSi Quattro Multitronic (7 speed & similar to DSG)

I have only owned it for 4 months, but absolutely love it. It has plenty of pull (must be the Revo re-map) and the quality & spec compared to the B7 I had previously is such a step up.

As for MPG, yes I can achieve 35-38 on a steady motorway run, but constant town driving only gets me around 20mpg.
Just filled up today with Super Unleaded (due to Revo) at a cost of £61 for 55 litres, and I achieved 238 miles for that full tank.

Make sure you get that multitronic oil changed regularly!! You have been warned...

va1o

16,029 posts

206 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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lemonslap said:
Looks lovely.

The following isn't meant as a dig, but....

As your fuel economy is the same as my S4, is there any point in owning the 2.0tfsi?
Sorry for stating the obvious but the 2.0 TFSI costs quite a lot less to buy than the S4 in the first place...

jester

silentbrown

8,793 posts

115 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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lemonslap said:
As your fuel economy is the same as my S4, is there any point in owning the 2.0tfsi?
Probably because it's a different driver on different roads. I'm planning to switch to an S4 from a 2.0 TFSI, and I'm fully expecting my overall MPG to drop from 31 to around 25. Anything better would be a bonus...

GetCarter

29,358 posts

278 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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silentbrown said:
lemonslap said:
As your fuel economy is the same as my S4, is there any point in owning the 2.0tfsi?
Probably because it's a different driver on different roads. I'm planning to switch to an S4 from a 2.0 TFSI, and I'm fully expecting my overall MPG to drop from 31 to around 25. Anything better would be a bonus...
I only get 22 and a bit mpg average from my B8 S4.

silentbrown

8,793 posts

115 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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GetCarter said:
I only get 22 and a bit mpg average from my B8 S4.
Well, I'm an optimist. (And 22mpg requires higher grade man-maths.)


MancDan

64 posts

148 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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Maracus said:
There's no such thing as a Multitronic Quattro nerd nice colour though smile

Multitronics are only fitted to FWD Audis (and some SEATS).

OP - I had a B7 2.0T Q Tiptronic, definitely look at a B8. More interior space and a lot more modern, the B7 interior is from 2001.

Edited by Maracus on Monday 19th January 19:52
Just going off what the previous owner told me.
Its a 7 speed Auto and its definitely Quattro, also has flappy paddles.
I was told it's very similar to S-Tronic.

MancDan

64 posts

148 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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va1o said:
Sorry for stating the obvious but the 2.0 TFSI costs quite a lot less to buy than the S4 in the first place...

jester
Exactly that reason.

blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Tuesday 20th January 2015
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MancDan said:
Maracus said:
There's no such thing as a Multitronic Quattro nerd nice colour though smile

Multitronics are only fitted to FWD Audis (and some SEATS).

OP - I had a B7 2.0T Q Tiptronic, definitely look at a B8. More interior space and a lot more modern, the B7 interior is from 2001.

Edited by Maracus on Monday 19th January 19:52
Just going off what the previous owner told me.
Its a 7 speed Auto and its definitely Quattro, also has flappy paddles.
I was told it's very similar to S-Tronic.
Quattro
wink

I'd change my B7 for a B8 if they didn't guzzle oil.