Another cyclist dies in London

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zimzoom

61 posts

111 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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GC8 said:
This is why you ignored my question. You cant do it, and talking about it is worthless.

Wally.
Hi Wally,

Sorry I wasn't aware you asked me a question. I've only briefly overlooked the thread, which has been getting quite a lot of posts. So i'm sorry if I missed it. Perhaps next time make sure you quote me and I can spot it easily, much like you just did. smile

heebeegeetee

28,596 posts

247 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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zimzoom said:
haha, well I wasn't sitting in the trailer. I was in the passenger seat as a second pair of eyes. The driver said to me, with the new mirrors that are required to meet regulations, there are a good 3-5 seconds (depending on how much detail you take in) taken to look in the mirrors before you set off.
I did think as I read your piece "there's someone who's never driven one". It takes years to become experienced, but you're lecturing from having been a passenger how many times?


zimzoom

61 posts

111 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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heebeegeetee said:
I did think as I read your piece "there's someone who's never driven one". It takes years to become experienced, but you're lecturing from having been a passenger how many times?
Oh i'm not lecturing. I'm passing on information that was given to me from a very experienced driver. Take it or leave it, i don't mind.

GC8

19,910 posts

189 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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zimzoom said:
GC8 said:
This is why you ignored my question. You cant do it, and talking about it is worthless.

Wally.
Hi Wally,

Sorry I wasn't aware you asked me a question. I've only briefly overlooked the thread, which has been getting quite a lot of posts. So i'm sorry if I missed it. Perhaps next time make sure you quote me and I can spot it easily, much like you just did. smile
Very droll. Next time, you'd be better off restricting your comments to topics about which you were knowledgeable.

,I sat in a lorry once' does not reach the required standard.

zimzoom

61 posts

111 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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GC8 said:
Very droll. Next time, you'd be better off restricting your comments to topics about which you were knowledgeable.

,I sat in a lorry once' does not reach the required standard.
Oh sorry, I didn't realise I had to attach my CV every time I make a comment. Forgive me.

GC8

19,910 posts

189 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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You don't need to include your CV. Just refrain from making bullst comments on a topic about which you know fk all.

Sitting in an HGV cab is of no more relevance than my having sat in a Jumbo cockpit - I didn't start posting nonsense every time a plane goes missing.

gazza285

9,780 posts

207 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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I see the lorry driver has now been arrested and bailed.

http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/fresh_safety_...



Edited by gazza285 on Saturday 24th January 19:21

saaby93

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32,038 posts

177 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Another angle same source



That central island won't help keep the road wide enough for a cycle and a truck

zimzoom

61 posts

111 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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GC8 said:
You don't need to include your CV. Just refrain from making bullst comments on a topic about which you know fk all.

Sitting in an HGV cab is of no more relevance than my having sat in a Jumbo cockpit - I didn't start posting nonsense every time a plane goes missing.
So rather than bhing about my apparent nonsense, why not say something that counters it?

GC8

19,910 posts

189 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Read the topic you gobste - I have done just that.

ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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saaby93 said:
Another angle same source



That central island won't help keep the road wide enough for a cycle and a truck
In most circumstances when someone dies the driver of the other vehicle will be arrested & bailed this does not make him guilty.

okgo

37,860 posts

197 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Just saw that the wife of one of these chaps (who died) mentioned he has had his sentence halved so will do 5 years...67 previous offences, 70mph in a 30, drunk, high on chop kills two people and will serve 5 years? fking farce tbh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/16/drink-d...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/dr...

This was her post

"Hi my fiancée Kris Jarvis, was killed by a drunk and dangerous driver on the 13th February last year, along with one of his best friends, John Morland while they were out on their weekly ride. Despite wearing excellent quality helmets and lights, Kris and John both suffered the most horrific injuries and were killed instantly on impact.
Alexander Walters, the man who killed Kris, a father of 5, my partner of 22 years and John, father of 2, partner of 13 years to Hayley, was 2.5x the drink limit, high on cocaine, driving at 70mph in a 30mph zone, disqualified, uninsured, and driving his partner's car without consent, at the time he hit John and Kris. He has 67 convictions previous to this. He received a 10 year 3 month sentence, which was instantly cut to half, with his release date now being May 2019. He appealed his sentence but eventually the appeal was dismissed in court.
Myself and Hayley have set up a petition to get harsher sentences for Dangerous drivers. The aim is to get the law changed so dangerous drivers who kill, will get upto the 14 year maximum sentence PER PERSON killed, so when a multiple fatality, each victim is treated as individuals, and the 2 sentences will run CONSECUTIVELY, NOT concurrently, as they do now!!! We need 100,000 signatures to get to the Houses of Parliament and stand a hope of getting the law changed, to make the road safer for everyone.
Please take the time to sign and share our petition to everyone you know. Kris and John would be really grateful, and myself and Hayley and the rest of our families are too. Thank you very much in advance
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/67911&qu...

v12Legs

313 posts

114 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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okgo said:
Just saw that the wife of one of these chaps (who died) mentioned he has had his sentence halved so will do 5 years...67 previous offences, 70mph in a 30, drunk, high on chop kills two people and will serve 5 years? fking farce tbh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/16/drink-d...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/dr...

This was her post

"Hi my fiancée Kris Jarvis, was killed by a drunk and dangerous driver on the 13th February last year, along with one of his best friends, John Morland while they were out on their weekly ride. Despite wearing excellent quality helmets and lights, Kris and John both suffered the most horrific injuries and were killed instantly on impact.
Alexander Walters, the man who killed Kris, a father of 5, my partner of 22 years and John, father of 2, partner of 13 years to Hayley, was 2.5x the drink limit, high on cocaine, driving at 70mph in a 30mph zone, disqualified, uninsured, and driving his partner's car without consent, at the time he hit John and Kris. He has 67 convictions previous to this. He received a 10 year 3 month sentence, which was instantly cut to half, with his release date now being May 2019. He appealed his sentence but eventually the appeal was dismissed in court.
Myself and Hayley have set up a petition to get harsher sentences for Dangerous drivers. The aim is to get the law changed so dangerous drivers who kill, will get upto the 14 year maximum sentence PER PERSON killed, so when a multiple fatality, each victim is treated as individuals, and the 2 sentences will run CONSECUTIVELY, NOT concurrently, as they do now!!! We need 100,000 signatures to get to the Houses of Parliament and stand a hope of getting the law changed, to make the road safer for everyone.
Please take the time to sign and share our petition to everyone you know. Kris and John would be really grateful, and myself and Hayley and the rest of our families are too. Thank you very much in advance
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/67911&qu...
That's horrific and tragic. There is a serious problem with the way the justice system handles people who kill while driving. What do you suppose the sentence would have been if the person had been wielding a gun instead of a motor vehicle?

Still, bloody cyclists running red lights, eh?

NickGibbs

1,247 posts

230 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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It's odd how on PH pedal cycle deaths get so much coverage, yet motorcyclists are far more likely to get killed

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From here

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/additional/files/vehicle...

shalmaneser

5,930 posts

194 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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NickGibbs said:
It's odd how on PH pedal cycle deaths get so much coverage, yet motorcyclists are far more likely to get killed

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From here

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/additional/files/vehicle...
But how many of those motorcyclist deaths are people flinging themselves at the scenery? Quite a lot I imagine!

NickGibbs

1,247 posts

230 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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shalmaneser said:
But how many of those motorcyclist deaths are people flinging themselves at the scenery? Quite a lot I imagine!
But isn't that the subtext on here? That the cyclists are putting themselves in dangerous situations?

If so, why isn't there the same mass debate on motorcyclists? (Genuine question - I'm rider of a bike and a motorbike as well as a car driver, so no particular axe to grind)

(Edit for rubbish spelling)

budgie smuggler

5,359 posts

158 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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v12Legs said:
okgo said:
Just saw that the wife of one of these chaps (who died) mentioned he has had his sentence halved so will do 5 years...67 previous offences, 70mph in a 30, drunk, high on chop kills two people and will serve 5 years? fking farce tbh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/16/drink-d...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/dr...

This was her post

"Hi my fiancée Kris Jarvis, was killed by a drunk and dangerous driver on the 13th February last year, along with one of his best friends, John Morland while they were out on their weekly ride. Despite wearing excellent quality helmets and lights, Kris and John both suffered the most horrific injuries and were killed instantly on impact.
Alexander Walters, the man who killed Kris, a father of 5, my partner of 22 years and John, father of 2, partner of 13 years to Hayley, was 2.5x the drink limit, high on cocaine, driving at 70mph in a 30mph zone, disqualified, uninsured, and driving his partner's car without consent, at the time he hit John and Kris. He has 67 convictions previous to this. He received a 10 year 3 month sentence, which was instantly cut to half, with his release date now being May 2019. He appealed his sentence but eventually the appeal was dismissed in court.
Myself and Hayley have set up a petition to get harsher sentences for Dangerous drivers. The aim is to get the law changed so dangerous drivers who kill, will get upto the 14 year maximum sentence PER PERSON killed, so when a multiple fatality, each victim is treated as individuals, and the 2 sentences will run CONSECUTIVELY, NOT concurrently, as they do now!!! We need 100,000 signatures to get to the Houses of Parliament and stand a hope of getting the law changed, to make the road safer for everyone.
Please take the time to sign and share our petition to everyone you know. Kris and John would be really grateful, and myself and Hayley and the rest of our families are too. Thank you very much in advance
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/67911&qu...
That's horrific and tragic. There is a serious problem with the way the justice system handles people who kill while driving. What do you suppose the sentence would have been if the person had been wielding a gun instead of a motor vehicle?

Still, bloody cyclists running red lights, eh?
Just not good enough. Two lives lost, after 67 previous offences and he only spends 5 years in jail. Yeah, that'll change his ways. CHINNY fkING RECKON

shalmaneser

5,930 posts

194 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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NickGibbs said:
shalmaneser said:
But how many of those motorcyclist deaths are people flinging themselves at the scenery? Quite a lot I imagine!
But isn't that the subtext on here? That the cyclists are putting themselves in dangerous situations?

If so, why isn't there the same mass debate on motorcyclists? (Genuine question - I'm rider of a bike and a motorbike as well as a car driver, so no particular axe to grind)

(Edit for rubbish spelling)
I don't understand your point?

SVA caused by excess speed/lack of talent = rider's fault. Not much to be done here. Tell people to stop going so fast.

Being squashed by a truck while riding a bike = often someone else's fault. Hence vulnerable road users need to be protected. How much? What are the options? What are the disadvantages of such protection? This is the debate (as I understand it).

I don't subscribe to the (apparently) common notion that riding is inherently dangerous.

And I say this as an (occasional!) motorbiker, frequent cyclist and driver.

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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budgie smuggler said:
v12Legs said:
okgo said:
Just saw that the wife of one of these chaps (who died) mentioned he has had his sentence halved so will do 5 years...67 previous offences, 70mph in a 30, drunk, high on chop kills two people and will serve 5 years? fking farce tbh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/16/drink-d...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/dr...

This was her post

"Hi my fiancée Kris Jarvis, was killed by a drunk and dangerous driver on the 13th February last year, along with one of his best friends, John Morland while they were out on their weekly ride. Despite wearing excellent quality helmets and lights, Kris and John both suffered the most horrific injuries and were killed instantly on impact.
Alexander Walters, the man who killed Kris, a father of 5, my partner of 22 years and John, father of 2, partner of 13 years to Hayley, was 2.5x the drink limit, high on cocaine, driving at 70mph in a 30mph zone, disqualified, uninsured, and driving his partner's car without consent, at the time he hit John and Kris. He has 67 convictions previous to this. He received a 10 year 3 month sentence, which was instantly cut to half, with his release date now being May 2019. He appealed his sentence but eventually the appeal was dismissed in court.
Myself and Hayley have set up a petition to get harsher sentences for Dangerous drivers. The aim is to get the law changed so dangerous drivers who kill, will get upto the 14 year maximum sentence PER PERSON killed, so when a multiple fatality, each victim is treated as individuals, and the 2 sentences will run CONSECUTIVELY, NOT concurrently, as they do now!!! We need 100,000 signatures to get to the Houses of Parliament and stand a hope of getting the law changed, to make the road safer for everyone.
Please take the time to sign and share our petition to everyone you know. Kris and John would be really grateful, and myself and Hayley and the rest of our families are too. Thank you very much in advance
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/67911&qu...
That's horrific and tragic. There is a serious problem with the way the justice system handles people who kill while driving. What do you suppose the sentence would have been if the person had been wielding a gun instead of a motor vehicle?

Still, bloody cyclists running red lights, eh?
Just not good enough. Two lives lost, after 67 previous offences and he only spends 5 years in jail. Yeah, that'll change his ways. CHINNY fkING RECKON
It really is depressing to know there are recidivists like this around, with that "f*&^ you" mentality that means they just do not change their ways. I'm honestly not sure what the answer is - yes, a longer prison term now would hopefully send the message that killing people through bad driving is not acceptable, but ideally something needs to be done to deter cretins like the above from getting to the stage of having 67 convictions before they have an accident that kills someone.

On a side note, I think the justice system needs to be way tougher on uninsured drivers - for young drivers, the financial penalties of driving uninsured often seem to be less than insurance premiums will be. Insurance premiums will not go down, increasing direct financial penalties for uninisured drivers is likely to result in repayment at a risible rate of £5 per month - maybe just take away their car and crush it? - if people aren't prepared to abide by the rules of owning a vehicle, take away the vehicle. It's a cliche, but worth repeating - driving is a privilege, not a right, and more people need to understand that.

zimzoom

61 posts

111 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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NickGibbs said:
But isn't that the subtext on here? That the cyclists are putting themselves in dangerous situations?

If so, why isn't there the same mass debate on motorcyclists? (Genuine question - I'm rider of a bike and a motorbike as well as a car driver, so no particular axe to grind)

(Edit for rubbish spelling)
Presumption that cyclists are putting them selves in danger. TFL study showed that in only 6% of collisions where a cyclist was KSI were they to blame for it. - http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2...
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