Another cyclist dies in London

[iambeowulf]

yonex said:

iambeowulf said:

You know what to do with yourself then.

Oh do fk off.

Actually, yes, I do. Ignore the pieces of crap in here that post constant anti cycling stuff. Nobody was bragging, that is your fragile ego being hurt, I was merely curious as to what that chap recommended for me training wise for cycling when I have 28 years of various experiences behind me, cycle around some cones in a car park perhaps? As always on here nobody can have a sane discussion..you know what, you're right..fking cyclists it's all their fault.

Now, let's get back to debating the internet about which car some random stranger on the web needs...that's waayyyyyyy more involved.

Edited by yonex on Saturday 11th April 11:50

I never said it's the cyclists fault you nut job.

My ego doesn't come into it. I was simply pointing out the rediiculessness of your post and the fact is has as much to do with the subject matter than s lump of cheese.

I bet you ride around with a GoPro so you can be outraged on a daily basis.

[funinhounslow]

saaby93 said:

Can the helmet merchants take their discussion elsewhere

Calls for junction improvements
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cycling-camp...

The collisions at the roundabout junction in the background Does it look that different to any other junction? Does anyone know what improvements were proposed and dismissed? Humps were mentioned earlier but what difference would humps make there?

What about the truck design too. Is it one of those where you have no idea whats going on at front left?
As someone else said we all have to look out for each other while using a road

Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 11th April 09:14

TFL wanted raised zebra crossings to reduce vehicles' speed as they approached the roundabout and shared pedestrian/ cyclist area.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cycling-camp...

Edited by funinhounslow on Saturday 11th April 16:56

[GC8]

iambeowulf said:

yonex said:

iambeowulf said:

You know what to do with yourself then.

Oh do fk off.

Actually, yes, I do. Ignore the pieces of crap in here that post constant anti cycling stuff. Nobody was bragging, that is your fragile ego being hurt, I was merely curious as to what that chap recommended for me training wise for cycling when I have 28 years of various experiences behind me, cycle around some cones in a car park perhaps? As always on here nobody can have a sane discussion..you know what, you're right..fking cyclists it's all their fault.

Now, let's get back to debating the internet about which car some random stranger on the web needs...that's waayyyyyyy more involved.

Edited by yonex on Saturday 11th April 11:50

I never said it's the cyclists fault you nut job.

My ego doesn't come into it. I was simply pointing out the rediiculessness of your post and the fact is has as much to do with the subject matter than s lump of cheese.

I bet you ride around with a GoPro so you can be outraged on a daily basis.

Ridiculous. Ridiculousness. HTH

[saaby93]

funinhounslow said:

saaby93 said:

Calls for junction improvements
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cycling-camp...

The collision is at the roundabout junction in the background Does it look that different to any other junction? Does anyone know what improvements were proposed and dismissed? Humps were mentioned earlier but what difference would humps make there?

What about the truck design too. Is it one of those where you have no idea whats going on at front left?
As someone else said we all have to look out for each other while using a road

TFL wanted raised zebra crossings to reduce vehicles' speed as they approached the roundabout and shared pedestrian/ cyclist area.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cycling-camp...

Probably right not to go ahead with that. Which ones supposed to be the traffic authority Tfl or westminister?

[anonymous-user]

iambeowulf said:

I never said it's the cyclists fault you nut job.

My ego doesn't come into it. I was simply pointing out the rediiculessness of your post and the fact is has as much to do with the subject matter than s lump of cheese.

I bet you ride around with a GoPro so you can be outraged on a daily basis.

Experience of riding and driving at a reasonable level bears no relation or gives any kind of advantage to how an individual acts on the road and perceives risk, lol. And no, I don't own a GoPro...being righteous doesn't really matter if you're dead. Thank you for highlighting yourself...one to add to the ignore list.

[anonymous-user]

heebeegeetee said:

mygoldfishbowl said:

JQ said:

The difference is that research has proved that cycling extends life, and that imposing restrictions has a more negative impact on life expectancy than the status quo. It's therefore not a no brainer to introduce registration, and one of the reasons helmets are not compulsory. I'd also dread to think how many £billions our government could waste on such scheme, which realistically could never be policed.

Agree with you other comments though, particularly with regard to integration.

Absolute nonsense.

No it isn't, it's completely accurate.

Incorrect.

[heebeegeetee]

St John Smythe said:

heebeegeetee said:

mygoldfishbowl said:

JQ said:

The difference is that research has proved that cycling extends life, and that imposing restrictions has a more negative impact on life expectancy than the status quo. It's therefore not a no brainer to introduce registration, and one of the reasons helmets are not compulsory. I'd also dread to think how many £billions our government could waste on such scheme, which realistically could never be policed.

Agree with you other comments though, particularly with regard to integration.

Absolute nonsense.

No it isn't, it's completely accurate.

Incorrect.

How?

[Type R Tom]

hora said:

I love the insulting reporting etc towards female riders. Out of FIVE fatalities three were female apparently. So 'apparently' females are more likely to die to do their ability. Right..

Right, what does that mean? I read the media's reasons but I don't completely buy it. Any woman who commutes by bike in London isn't a total wall flower. I rode it for 7yrs there- very quickly you'd give up and use the tube after a week or so.

I believe the numbers of women that have been killed recently, compared to the number of women that ride is disproportionately high.

[thelawnet]

Type R Tom said:

I believe the numbers of women that have been killed recently, compared to the number of women that ride is disproportionately high.

That's not right.

There is a single very specific category of deaths, and that is cyclists, in London, being killed by HGVs, that women appear to be disproportionately featuring.

Outwith this category men are disproportionately killed or injured in cycling accidents.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/02february/pages/cycli...

[GC8]

Yes, and that makes it even sadder.

[Type R Tom]

thelawnet said:

That's not right.

There is a single very specific category of deaths, and that is cyclists, in London, being killed by HGVs, that women appear to be disproportionately featuring.

Outwith this category men are disproportionately killed or injured in cycling accidents.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/02february/pages/cycli...

That's what I meant, in the context of the recent collision.

[swisstoni]

I have to think that money is behind all this. Why hasn't Boris Johnson, self styled cyclist's messiah, stepped in to sort this out?
I'm afraid to say that it's because it may put a crimp in the day of all the developers who are busy building in London.

These trucks basically cannot see around themselves. Either a campaign needs to be run to make it clear that they are Kryptonite to cyclists or they should be be banned from the capital in their current form. If that means that the crap they carry around needs to be decanted into safer vehicles then so be it, at the cost of the developers.

[mygoldfishbowl]

hora said:

I love the insulting reporting etc towards female riders. Out of FIVE fatalities three were female apparently. So 'apparently' females are more likely to die to do their ability. Right..

Right, what does that mean? I read the media's reasons but I don't completely buy it. Any woman who commutes by bike in London isn't a total wall flower. I rode it for 7yrs there- very quickly you'd give up and use the tube after a week or so.

And so they should, women & men alike.

[mygoldfishbowl]

heebeegeetee said:

mygoldfishbowl said:

JQ said:

The difference is that research has proved that cycling extends life, and that imposing restrictions has a more negative impact on life expectancy than the status quo. It's therefore not a no brainer to introduce registration, and one of the reasons helmets are not compulsory. I'd also dread to think how many £billions our government could waste on such scheme, which realistically could never be policed.

Agree with you other comments though, particularly with regard to integration.

Absolute nonsense.

No it isn't, it's completely accurate.

Cycling didn't extend that poor woman's life.

[Mave]

ZX10R NIN said:

Mave said:

Do you really think that cyclist registration and training is the best way to make cycling equally as safe as driving for the cyclist, and equally as dangerous to 3rd parties?

Yes I believe training will help those that are commuting in, but that has been shot down.
Then someone else posted that if cyclists are made to wear a helmet they are more aware that cycling could be dangerous, so by making it compulsory it seems like the easiest way to make cyclists a bit more aware of their surroundings.

I understand you may lose a few people by introducing some measures but surely you must also believe that by having a majority of cyclists who have had training & are wearing a safety helmet that will help the number of injuries/casualties drop.

It has worked for motorcyclists.

I want London to start moving we have had changes made on a lot of major junctions & a lot of them have been made worse not better this is where things really need to change.

Better road planning & integration for all users is the vital key for this & that has always been my point.

But the point you made, and which I was responding to, was that because cyclists aren't registered or have compulsory training that they don't deserve to be treated as equals.

Why not? The risk cyclists represent to other road users is hugely less than the risk posed posed by motorists. So their third party risk posed by cyclists is better than equal.
The risk motorists pose to cyclists is significantly greater than the risk posed to cyclists by themselves. So the first party risk posed by cyclists is better than equal.

The appropriate actions to take for equality should be based on those that result in equality, not those that result in everyone doing the same thing irrespective of the characteristics of their mode of transport.

[heebeegeetee]

mygoldfishbowl said:

Cycling didn't extend that poor woman's life.

You know what is meant and you know it is accurate. Exercise extends life, it is an irrefutable fact. On average, people who exercise live longer than those who don't. It is irrefutable.

I also believe it's the case that everywhere where restrictions have been imposed on cycling obesity has risen, and anywhere where cycling isn't promoted, such as the the UK, obesity is a considerable factor in the health of that society.

[iambeowulf]

GC8 said:

Ridiculous. Ridiculousness. HTH

Ooh yeah.

I was so busy being offended and self-righteous I didn't proofread.

[John D.]

swisstoni said:

I have to think that money is behind all this. Why hasn't Boris Johnson, self styled cyclist's messiah, stepped in to sort this out?
I'm afraid to say that it's because it may put a crimp in the day of all the developers who are busy building in London.

These trucks basically cannot see around themselves. Either a campaign needs to be run to make it clear that they are Kryptonite to cyclists or they should be be banned from the capital in their current form. If that means that the crap they carry around needs to be decanted into safer vehicles then so be it, at the cost of the developers.

You are right. Same reason we aren't building elevated cycle ways to properly segregate vehicles and cyclists - there is no where near enough money.

No one will mind paying a few more billion to finish Cross Rail either.

[Laurel Green]

Camberwell crash: Female cyclist fighting for life after collision with lorry in south London.

Sadly, it has been reported this morning that the poor girl died.



Hopefully, this chap wont go the same way.

Walthamstow crash: heroic bystanders free unicyclist from underneath bus after he was knocked down in rush hour accident

[croyde]

Awful. Seems to always be a woman and a lorry.

There was a phone in about these collisions on LBC a few weeks ago.

General concensus was that women don't cycle aggressively and in being courteous or unsure end up in more accidents.

As to the poor fella on a unicycle. I thought it a misprint. Really don't think that a one wheeled bike is best used in heavy traffic. What on earth was he thinking.

Edited by croyde on Friday 29th May 11:50