Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
croyde said:
Awful. Seems to always be a woman and a lorry.
There was a phone in about these collisions on LBC a few weeks ago.
General concensus was the women don't cycle aggressively and in being courteous or unsure end up in more accidents.
As to the poor fella on a unicycle. I thought it a misprint. Really don't think that a one wheeled bike is best used in heavy traffic. What on earth was he thinking.
This is something people who don't cycle fail to understand. There's a good reason for cycling in the nearside wheel track, it's generally the safest place. In the gutter is asking for trouble...There was a phone in about these collisions on LBC a few weeks ago.
General concensus was the women don't cycle aggressively and in being courteous or unsure end up in more accidents.
As to the poor fella on a unicycle. I thought it a misprint. Really don't think that a one wheeled bike is best used in heavy traffic. What on earth was he thinking.
croyde said:
Awful. Seems to always be a woman and a lorry.
There was a phone in about these collisions on LBC a few weeks ago.
General concensus was the women don't cycle aggressively and in being courteous or unsure end up in more accidents.
I'd tend to agree, although it's not confined to women, it's just more pronounced IMO. You need to be decisive in London traffic, the moment you start dithering is when other traffic becomes unsure about what you're doing.There was a phone in about these collisions on LBC a few weeks ago.
General concensus was the women don't cycle aggressively and in being courteous or unsure end up in more accidents.
Not limited to busy London either, even in the suburbs - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-329135...
swisstoni said:
I have to think that money is behind all this. Why hasn't Boris Johnson, self styled cyclist's messiah, stepped in to sort this out?
I'm afraid to say that it's because it may put a crimp in the day of all the developers who are busy building in London.
These trucks basically cannot see around themselves. Either a campaign needs to be run to make it clear that they are Kryptonite to cyclists or they should be be banned from the capital in their current form. If that means that the crap they carry around needs to be decanted into safer vehicles then so be it, at the cost of the developers.
Does that mean that avery time you buy food, or eat and drink or buy new inner tubes for your bicycles you are prepared to pay a far higher price so that deliveries have to be made by smaller vehicles.I'm afraid to say that it's because it may put a crimp in the day of all the developers who are busy building in London.
These trucks basically cannot see around themselves. Either a campaign needs to be run to make it clear that they are Kryptonite to cyclists or they should be be banned from the capital in their current form. If that means that the crap they carry around needs to be decanted into safer vehicles then so be it, at the cost of the developers.
maybe make bicycles pay to use the roads instead
Rangeroverover said:
Does that mean that avery time you buy food, or eat and drink or buy new inner tubes for your bicycles you are prepared to pay a far higher price so that deliveries have to be made by smaller vehicles.
maybe make bicycles pay to use the roads instead
No. It just means that people who drive big things need to pay more attention and that cycling infrastructure needs to be improved. Amazing that on a motoring forum people have such a low skill set they consider cyclists a problem to navigate. As for tax, that'll be taken up by the motorist.maybe make bicycles pay to use the roads instead
heebeegeetee said:
You know what is meant and you know it is accurate. Exercise extends life, it is an irrefutable fact. On average, people who exercise live longer than those who don't. It is irrefutable.
It isn't, so don't pretend it is. Ask Gregory Mertens or Cristian Gomez.Oh, wait. You can't.
Exerting yourself in the big smoke is also not the wisest idea in the world. You fill your lungs up with crap far more than just passing through.
Rangeroverover said:
swisstoni said:
I have to think that money is behind all this. Why hasn't Boris Johnson, self styled cyclist's messiah, stepped in to sort this out?
I'm afraid to say that it's because it may put a crimp in the day of all the developers who are busy building in London.
These trucks basically cannot see around themselves. Either a campaign needs to be run to make it clear that they are Kryptonite to cyclists or they should be be banned from the capital in their current form. If that means that the crap they carry around needs to be decanted into safer vehicles then so be it, at the cost of the developers.
Does that mean that avery time you buy food, or eat and drink or buy new inner tubes for your bicycles you are prepared to pay a far higher price so that deliveries have to be made by smaller vehicles.I'm afraid to say that it's because it may put a crimp in the day of all the developers who are busy building in London.
These trucks basically cannot see around themselves. Either a campaign needs to be run to make it clear that they are Kryptonite to cyclists or they should be be banned from the capital in their current form. If that means that the crap they carry around needs to be decanted into safer vehicles then so be it, at the cost of the developers.
maybe make bicycles pay to use the roads instead
As for paying to use the roads, what do you suggest? Removing road building and maintainance from general taxation and implementing toll roads? How much will every other road user pay?
mygoldfishbowl said:
heebeegeetee said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
JQ said:
The difference is that research has proved that cycling extends life, and that imposing restrictions has a more negative impact on life expectancy than the status quo. It's therefore not a no brainer to introduce registration, and one of the reasons helmets are not compulsory. I'd also dread to think how many £billions our government could waste on such scheme, which realistically could never be policed.
Agree with you other comments though, particularly with regard to integration.
Absolute nonsense.Agree with you other comments though, particularly with regard to integration.
Pegscratch said:
heebeegeetee said:
You know what is meant and you know it is accurate. Exercise extends life, it is an irrefutable fact. On average, people who exercise live longer than those who don't. It is irrefutable.
It isn't, so don't pretend it is. Ask Gregory Mertens or Cristian Gomez.Oh, wait. You can't.
yonex said:
No. It just means that people who drive big things need to pay more attention and that cycling infrastructure needs to be improved. Amazing that on a motoring forum people have such a low skill set they consider cyclists a problem to navigate. As for tax, that'll be taken up by the motorist.
Post Checklist:1. Facts not known but it's the big things fault every time
2. Everything should be changed for the cyclist ( try "road infrastructure" as we all use it)
3. Sly insult at most who are on here reading it
4. Wind up.
Yep, full house, well done you, that showed em!
Informative, constructive and full of facts and of course all aimed at finding a balanced helpful solution to the problem.
Yawn................ex.
I wish there was more feedback about what happened. I know some will say it's disrepectful to those who are no longer here, but surely it shows great respect to find out what went wrong.
In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
saaby93 said:
I wish there was more feedback about what happened. I know some will say it's disrepectful to those who are no longer here, but surely it shows great respect to find out what went wrong.
In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
I agree with this. Surely there must be a report for all accidents which have witness statements so we can actually see the root causes, and actually learn from that. In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
That'll never happen, because it would be politically inconvenient for everyone. Truck drivers, cycling lobby, local government.
Simple answer, both parties just take responsibility and be aware of each other. Tipper trucks (and large vehicles in general) not overtaking cyclists if there is not enough room or they are turning soon. Cyclists not going up the inside of lorries or getting in blind spots. It does not need expensive infrastructure changes, just people to follow some basic common sense and respect for other people.
Simple answer, both parties just take responsibility and be aware of each other. Tipper trucks (and large vehicles in general) not overtaking cyclists if there is not enough room or they are turning soon. Cyclists not going up the inside of lorries or getting in blind spots. It does not need expensive infrastructure changes, just people to follow some basic common sense and respect for other people.
Challo said:
saaby93 said:
I wish there was more feedback about what happened. I know some will say it's disrepectful to those who are no longer here, but surely it shows great respect to find out what went wrong.
In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
I agree with this. Surely there must be a report for all accidents which have witness statements so we can actually see the root causes, and actually learn from that. In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
Observing how some cyclists act in traffic, I'm surprised there aren't more serious injuries and deaths.
Laurel Green said:
Camberwell crash: Female cyclist fighting for life after collision with lorry in south London.
Sadly, it has been reported this morning that the poor girl died.
Hopefully, this chap wont go the same way.
Walthamstow crash: heroic bystanders free unicyclist from underneath bus after he was knocked down in rush hour accident
I'm sorry but A fSadly, it has been reported this morning that the poor girl died.
Hopefully, this chap wont go the same way.
Walthamstow crash: heroic bystanders free unicyclist from underneath bus after he was knocked down in rush hour accident
kING UNICYCLE???If ever there was a doubt about how low some people's sense of self preservation is it's cycling (anywhere but principally) in London on a god damn unicyle.
Isn't he breaking a law just by being on the road on it? (Lack of any brakes?)
I hope he recovers, I really do, but what an idiot.
Finlandia said:
Challo said:
saaby93 said:
I wish there was more feedback about what happened. I know some will say it's disrepectful to those who are no longer here, but surely it shows great respect to find out what went wrong.
In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
I agree with this. Surely there must be a report for all accidents which have witness statements so we can actually see the root causes, and actually learn from that. In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
Observing how some cyclists act in traffic, I'm surprised there aren't more serious injuries and deaths.
http://lcc.org.uk/articles/senior-coroner-conclude...
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Post Checklist:
1. Facts not known but it's the big things fault every time
2. Everything should be changed for the cyclist ( try "road infrastructure" as we all use it)
3. Sly insult at most who are on here reading it
4. Wind up.
Yep, full house, well done you, that showed em!
Informative, constructive and full of facts and of course all aimed at finding a balanced helpful solution to the problem.
Yawn................ex.
Riding a bike, driving a car and occasionally a motorcycle allows me to see the good and bad of all. You?1. Facts not known but it's the big things fault every time
2. Everything should be changed for the cyclist ( try "road infrastructure" as we all use it)
3. Sly insult at most who are on here reading it
4. Wind up.
Yep, full house, well done you, that showed em!
Informative, constructive and full of facts and of course all aimed at finding a balanced helpful solution to the problem.
Yawn................ex.
Magog said:
Was reading about a case where the cyclist was killed, as he hadn't given way to a lorry approaching from directly behind him. The coroner and the police seem happy to ignore the abysmal and dangerous nature of the infrastructure that was provided.
http://lcc.org.uk/articles/senior-coroner-conclude...
True, road layout is a big problem too, and the more complex it gets the more it relies on people following the rules, then you have people who are unaware or just don't care about the rules, and the result is not pretty.http://lcc.org.uk/articles/senior-coroner-conclude...
Finlandia said:
Challo said:
saaby93 said:
I wish there was more feedback about what happened. I know some will say it's disrepectful to those who are no longer here, but surely it shows great respect to find out what went wrong.
In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
I agree with this. Surely there must be a report for all accidents which have witness statements so we can actually see the root causes, and actually learn from that. In most of these cases the driver hasnt been arrested, so presumably the cyclist has put themselves in an untenable position. Why can't we find out how they ended up there and have it published so that cyclists and drivers are more aware?
Observing how some cyclists act in traffic, I'm surprised there aren't more serious injuries and deaths.
2. According to this, for adults, drivers are solely responsible in cyclist collisions 60%-75% of the time. http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/dec/1...
3. I ran the numbers for the 14 killed cyclists in London in 2014. For 12 of them I could find info. The driver was arrested in 3 cases (and so far charged in 2 of those). The driver appears very clearly to be at fault in three of them but not enough evidence to arrest and charge (e.g. driver ran into back of cycle). The cyclists appear at fault in 4 of them and two of them are ongoing enquiries.
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