Another cyclist dies in London

[robinessex]

TheInternet said:

robinessex said:

If you want to comment on a posting, THE READ THE BLOODY THING CORRECTLY BEFORE DOING SO. The second word in my posting was 'is'. A question ?

I suspect he was misled by your poor English.

It's not poor English.

[TheInternet]

robinessex said:

It's not poor English.

If we ignore the spelling, the sentence construction and punctuation errors then yes, I agree.

[robinessex]

TheInternet said:

robinessex said:

It's not poor English.

If we ignore the spelling, the sentence construction and punctuation errors then yes, I agree.

I think I'll choose to ignore you instead. My daughter, with a degree in journalism from Portsmouth university, also agrees it's ok. Typo’s I ignore. Now go back to the topic.

Edited by robinessex on Monday 5th October 19:47

[grumbledoak]

Do you think we could do this without the bickering over a missed question mark?

For the avoidance of doubt (and question marks) I will suggest that the lorry is unlikely to have been on his four right-most wheels speeding around a 90° turn in central London. But let's see what the police decide before we exonerate either of them.

I saw no mention of anyone stitching anything back on. So a life changing injury. Awful stuff.

Be careful out there.

[Digby]

okgo said:

To be blunt, until you've ridden a bike in central London you won't fully appreciate the situation people are often found in due to all sorts of circumstances.

Like many truckers had to do as part of their CPC training.

Still nothing required for bike riders, though.I wonder how many deaths before that changes?

[Blakewater]

okgo said:

robinessex said:

Sadly, is this another case of a cyclist unwuisely going up the inside of a lorry. Lorries don't exactly move quickly, so if you keep away from them, you should be ok

You were there and saw her do that did you?

Most people commenting on the article seem to have decided the lorry driver was a psychopath who went out with a blood lust. While the default position in accidents is for people to take sides and fully blame their opposition, nothing will ever change. No one ever wants to see the full picture or consider every possible way .

I've seen drivers overtake cyclists and left hook them. I've seen drivers of large vehicles slow, indicate and swing wide out of necessity to turn left while oblivious cyclists go up the insides of them and straight into the path of danger. A cyclist was killed doing that with a coach. Witnesses, including other cyclists, at the scene said that's what happened and yet people commenting online later automatically blamed the coach driver.

Take this cyclist for example. In this case he nearly gets wiped out through failing to look left when turning left, yet he not only can't understand the lorry driver has to swing wide to turn, he won't understand it when it's explained to him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMnJbpRXWkA

He's the kind of bloody minded idiot who will one day get himself squished and insist on having it engraved on his gravestone that he was right.

[okgo]

robinessex said:

It's not poor English.

It's terrible.

I almost edited when I saw what you wanted to say (but failed).

[Robert Elise]

okgo said:

It's terrible.

I almost edited when I saw what you wanted to say (but failed).

i thought he was at least being rhetorical.

[croyde]

I've driven everything apart from coaches, HGV1 and HGV2s. It certainly helps one to appreciate the limits some other vehicles have on the road and allows you to give them the appropriate berth.

Only today, I noticed that whilst driving my car, I am always looking in every direction and constantly turning my head, looking for any obstacle or obstruction. This comes from also riding motorbikes and bicycles. Many car drivers just seem seem to stare vacantly ahead.

Maybe the car test should also involve basic tuition on motorbikes, cycles and lorries. It'll never happen but if you want a better chance of surviving to an old age, it has to be of benefit to at least try having a go at driving/riding other forms of transport.

[TheInternet]

croyde said:

Maybe the car test should also involve basic tuition on motorbikes, cycles and lorries. It'll never happen but if you want a better chance of surviving to an old age, it has to be of benefit to at least try having a go at driving/riding other forms of transport.

I'd go for this. It could only help to do a mile in another man's driving shoes.

[saaby93]

Times just posted up a report on this one

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/a...

It wasnt a death but pretty serious injury. Driver not paying attention.
I think theyre referring to an ASL box too?

[Type R Tom]

saaby93 said:

Times just posted up a report on this one

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/a...

It wasnt a death but pretty serious injury. Driver not paying attention.
I think theyre referring to an ASL box too?

It was this accident that kicked off the times campaign and all the other cycle safety stuff since

[pincher]

I wouldn't want to live in a 'minimally conscious' state for the rest of my days

[saaby93]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Type R Tom said:

saaby93 said:

Times just posted up a report on this one

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/a...

It wasnt a death but pretty serious injury. Driver not paying attention.
I think theyre referring to an ASL box too?

It was this accident that kicked off the times campaign and all the other cycle safety stuff since

Horrible.
The wagon driver should have been locked up for that.

It wasn't far off but the Judge will have taken other factors into account rather than just the headlines.
What were the other circumstances that contributed, how different would an ordinary Joe / typical driver have behaved given those circumstances.
There's more to this than just the driver (or the cyclist) and there's an allusion about the road layout and the design of the lorry

[Type R Tom]

saaby93 said:

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Type R Tom said:

saaby93 said:

Times just posted up a report on this one

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/a...

It wasnt a death but pretty serious injury. Driver not paying attention.
I think theyre referring to an ASL box too?

It was this accident that kicked off the times campaign and all the other cycle safety stuff since

Horrible.
The wagon driver should have been locked up for that.

It wasn't far off but the Judge will have taken other factors into account rather than just the headlines.
What were the other circumstances that contributed, how different would an ordinary Joe / typical driver have behaved given those circumstances.
There's more to this than just the driver (or the cyclist) and there's an allusion about the road layout and the design of the lorry

It didn't help that he left the handbrake off and did more damage, I know we all panic but he is meant to be a professional.

[C70R]

Type R Tom said:

saaby93 said:

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Type R Tom said:

saaby93 said:

Times just posted up a report on this one

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/a...

It wasnt a death but pretty serious injury. Driver not paying attention.
I think theyre referring to an ASL box too?

It was this accident that kicked off the times campaign and all the other cycle safety stuff since

Horrible.
The wagon driver should have been locked up for that.

It wasn't far off but the Judge will have taken other factors into account rather than just the headlines.
What were the other circumstances that contributed, how different would an ordinary Joe / typical driver have behaved given those circumstances.
There's more to this than just the driver (or the cyclist) and there's an allusion about the road layout and the design of the lorry

It didn't help that he left the handbrake off and did more damage, I know we all panic but he is meant to be a professional.

Reading the article, that's outrageous that he avoided jailtime. He ran over and seriously injured someone because he was distracted making a phonecall. Would the outcome have been different had it been a pedestrian?

[saaby93]

C70R said:

Reading the article, that's outrageous that he avoided jailtime. He ran over and seriously injured someone because he was distracted making a phonecall. Would the outcome have been different had it been a pedestrian?

Without trying to detract from what has happened, the article doesn't quite read like that, you have to be careful what an article highlights and what it hasnt and how it explains the way a judge has taken it all into account.

Try to uncover all the factors involved. Just saying.

[walm]

saaby93 said:

C70R said:

Reading the article, that's outrageous that he avoided jailtime. He ran over and seriously injured someone because he was distracted making a phonecall. Would the outcome have been different had it been a pedestrian?

Without trying to detract from what has happened, the article doesn't quite read like that, you have to be careful what an article highlights and what it hasnt and how it explains the way a judge has taken it all into account.

Try to uncover all the factors involved. Just saying.

The JURY acquitted him of dangerous driving.
The judge mentioned in the article is dealing with the size of the settlement from the HGV company's insurer.

[C70R]

walm said:

saaby93 said:

C70R said:

Reading the article, that's outrageous that he avoided jailtime. He ran over and seriously injured someone because he was distracted making a phonecall. Would the outcome have been different had it been a pedestrian?

Without trying to detract from what has happened, the article doesn't quite read like that, you have to be careful what an article highlights and what it hasnt and how it explains the way a judge has taken it all into account.

Try to uncover all the factors involved. Just saying.

The JURY acquitted him of dangerous driving.
The judge mentioned in the article is dealing with the size of the settlement from the HGV company's insurer.

Fair enough. I can also suppose there were mitigating factors that the article glossed over, for the sake of 'good journalism'.

[saaby93]

campaign
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-349455...
travelling straight on when truck turned left
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/how-london-a...