Seriously Embarassed Range Rover
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Crossflow Kid said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Martin4x4 said:
Are those track on the left his?
If so the problem was the driver, too heavy with his right foot.
Would the TC even allow that?If so the problem was the driver, too heavy with his right foot.
Crossflow Kid said:
TC is a driver aid, not a miracle.
Well, why not...?TooMany2cvs said:
Crossflow Kid said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Martin4x4 said:
Are those track on the left his?
If so the problem was the driver, too heavy with his right foot.
Would the TC even allow that?If so the problem was the driver, too heavy with his right foot.
Weird.
RR's aren't invincible and do still need some kind of skill to get up slippy slopes. I've been up far worse hills in the snow when I had my FFRR on All Season tyres, you need to know what you're doing though. Simply selecting one of the settings and flooring it won't work, all they do is modify the throttle/gearbox maps and piss around with the traction control, they don't do anything magical.
Unfortunately even with skill and care it is quite easy to get a FFRR to lose traction on a soft slippy incline with road biased tyres.
With no locking front or rear diffs only TC, the TC cuts in on a regular basis and as soon as wheel slip occurs it applies the brakes to that wheel, reduces power and kills the small momentum you may have built up.
Wheelslip is often unavoidable when you are trying to move two and a half tons against gravity with a tiny element of friction under each tyre.
It is very hard to 'drive around' the constant interference from the TC which is why I prefer good old fashioned manual lockers at least that way it is my fault not the cars if I get stuck
With no locking front or rear diffs only TC, the TC cuts in on a regular basis and as soon as wheel slip occurs it applies the brakes to that wheel, reduces power and kills the small momentum you may have built up.
Wheelslip is often unavoidable when you are trying to move two and a half tons against gravity with a tiny element of friction under each tyre.
It is very hard to 'drive around' the constant interference from the TC which is why I prefer good old fashioned manual lockers at least that way it is my fault not the cars if I get stuck
I went in off road buggies in La Palma recently where the terrain was pretty challenging. The lead car was a very old and dilapidated Panda 4x4 and it coped fantastically.
I chuckled when I turned up and saw it given the state that it was in, and thought may be the experience would be tamer than the flyer suggested, but it seemed that nothing would be too much for it . Fantastic little car!
I chuckled when I turned up and saw it given the state that it was in, and thought may be the experience would be tamer than the flyer suggested, but it seemed that nothing would be too much for it . Fantastic little car!
bigblock said:
Unfortunately even with skill and care it is quite easy to get a FFRR to lose traction on a soft slippy incline with road biased tyres.
With no locking front or rear diffs only TC, the TC cuts in on a regular basis and as soon as wheel slip occurs it applies the brakes to that wheel, reduces power and kills the small momentum you may have built up.
Wheelslip is often unavoidable when you are trying to move two and a half tons against gravity with a tiny element of friction under each tyre.
It is very hard to 'drive around' the constant interference from the TC which is why I prefer good old fashioned manual lockers at least that way it is my fault not the cars if I get stuck
All L322 & L405's FFRRs have a locking centre diff and the superchargeds had an infinitely variable electronically controlled rear diff, and most Vogue SEs & westminsters would have had it too I think. It's generally the sports that rely on TC only.With no locking front or rear diffs only TC, the TC cuts in on a regular basis and as soon as wheel slip occurs it applies the brakes to that wheel, reduces power and kills the small momentum you may have built up.
Wheelslip is often unavoidable when you are trying to move two and a half tons against gravity with a tiny element of friction under each tyre.
It is very hard to 'drive around' the constant interference from the TC which is why I prefer good old fashioned manual lockers at least that way it is my fault not the cars if I get stuck
I stupidly got my Range Rover sport stuck in very deep mud when I first had the car. It was a hot May in the south of France and I think I found the only boggy mud in the country!
Since then I've been more selective with going off road. I went to a Spanish country park with off road routes and although it wasn't anything too tough for the vehicle I was impressed how easy it made the off roading compared to my old jeep.
Since then I've been more selective with going off road. I went to a Spanish country park with off road routes and although it wasn't anything too tough for the vehicle I was impressed how easy it made the off roading compared to my old jeep.
TheAllSeeingPie said:
All L322 & L405's FFRRs have a locking centre diff and the superchargeds had an infinitely variable electronically controlled rear diff, and most Vogue SEs & westminsters would have had it too I think. It's generally the sports that rely on TC only.
The centre diff on all L322, L405 & L320 are eDiffs i.e. They are all of the 'Infinitely variable' type.So, the RRSport does more than just rely on TC only.
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TheAllSeeingPie said:
bigblock said:
Unfortunately even with skill and care it is quite easy to get a FFRR to lose traction on a soft slippy incline with road biased tyres.
With no locking front or rear diffs only TC, the TC cuts in on a regular basis and as soon as wheel slip occurs it applies the brakes to that wheel, reduces power and kills the small momentum you may have built up.
Wheelslip is often unavoidable when you are trying to move two and a half tons against gravity with a tiny element of friction under each tyre.
It is very hard to 'drive around' the constant interference from the TC which is why I prefer good old fashioned manual lockers at least that way it is my fault not the cars if I get stuck
All L322 & L405's FFRRs have a locking centre diff and the superchargeds had an infinitely variable electronically controlled rear diff, and most Vogue SEs & westminsters would have had it too I think. It's generally the sports that rely on TC only.With no locking front or rear diffs only TC, the TC cuts in on a regular basis and as soon as wheel slip occurs it applies the brakes to that wheel, reduces power and kills the small momentum you may have built up.
Wheelslip is often unavoidable when you are trying to move two and a half tons against gravity with a tiny element of friction under each tyre.
It is very hard to 'drive around' the constant interference from the TC which is why I prefer good old fashioned manual lockers at least that way it is my fault not the cars if I get stuck
Can the centre diff be permanently locked by engaging low ratio or does it only temporarily lock up as part of the TC when it senses a speed difference between the front and rear axles ? I am talking about a 2004 L322, thanks.
bigblock said:
I did actually say no front or rear locking diffs but I take your point about the centre diff.
Can the centre diff be permanently locked by engaging low ratio or does it only temporarily lock up as part of the TC when it senses a speed difference between the front and rear axles ? I am talking about a 2004 L322, thanks.
Done automatically by the TC if I remember rightly.Can the centre diff be permanently locked by engaging low ratio or does it only temporarily lock up as part of the TC when it senses a speed difference between the front and rear axles ? I am talking about a 2004 L322, thanks.
I have level areas on the farm here where I can demonstrate the effect of a vehicle that is too heavy for the conditions and it does not matter how many electrical goodies or self locking diffs or traction controls you have. Tyres can make a big difference but even they are not invincible.
Although these pictures are in the dry, it was a seriously steep slope and again shows where the little car's low weight and no front/rear overhang, gives it a tremendous climbing ability.
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I will try and dig out the pictures of it towing out a Land rover Defender!
Although these pictures are in the dry, it was a seriously steep slope and again shows where the little car's low weight and no front/rear overhang, gives it a tremendous climbing ability.
I will try and dig out the pictures of it towing out a Land rover Defender!
I drove a MK1 Vitara / SJ / defender on the beach most days throught summer working at water sports school.
The Suzukis would tow most things out with low box and Defender sink and dig holes... we had to run the defender with minimal air in the tyres to even try to make it happen.
Other small capable car is a MK1 Terios I ran one of those for 4 months in the Carib and that really did some stunt work ( always helps when its not yours),and owned many Suzuki models. I have recently sold my Mk1 Disco V8 and presently have LWB shogun and nitro, but weight does make a difference when the going is soft or inclined. Oh and had Panda in the same colour but only 2wd in family for about 20years....great little car.
The Suzukis would tow most things out with low box and Defender sink and dig holes... we had to run the defender with minimal air in the tyres to even try to make it happen.
Other small capable car is a MK1 Terios I ran one of those for 4 months in the Carib and that really did some stunt work ( always helps when its not yours),and owned many Suzuki models. I have recently sold my Mk1 Disco V8 and presently have LWB shogun and nitro, but weight does make a difference when the going is soft or inclined. Oh and had Panda in the same colour but only 2wd in family for about 20years....great little car.
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