Paint/stone protection

[DJR 7]

Having had the front end painted I'm now looking to have a film type protection applied to
The front end.
Any recommendations?
I'm interested to know what it's like to live with, how successful it is against stone chipping, cleaning ect.
Thanks in advance.

D

[ShiDevil]

Options: Armourfend or a better option is:

http://www.paintshield.co.uk/contact.php

http://www.venture-shield.co.uk

Armourfend is good but can show up significant stone impacts, it will possibly have scuff marks on it, over time you will see the joins more so, given dirt, wax etc.

Venture shield is much better but more expensive and less visible and it heals

Alternative just get your front end (not bonnet just nose) resprayed every 4-5 years for £800 or so.

[LaserTam]

Ive had Armourfend on my Tam since its purchase from new in 2005. I've been impressed, its definitely 'saved the nose'. I dont think I have noticed the edges any more now than when it was new and whilst if you look closely you can see a couple of spots where a stone has landed, I would suggest its way less obvious than a chip on the paintwork (because I have a couple that have missed the potection). When waxing/polishing you do have to be careful not to get the product too close to the edges, but small price to pay in my opinion.

[ukdj]

As an alternative to the 'film' based protections, have you considered nano-coating?

[DarkMatter]

Whichever of the suggested systems you use make sure that the person applying it has the necessary templates to pre-cut the film before they apply it to your car.

I've got Armourfend on my Griffith and it's done an excellent job in protecting against stone chips.

At the Goodwood Festival or Speed last year someone was demonstrating a film which would heal itself of minor scratches with the heat from a hot air gun.

[DJR 7]

Thanks for the replies,
I'm awaiting a quote from Armourfend in Letchworth, first impressions with both customer service
And product knowledge are very positive.

Steve painting the car every couple of years is an option that I've adhered to in the
Past, just wanting some extra protection.

I'll look Nano shield up too.

Speedy responses appreciated, want to get this done ASAP.

D

[ukdj]

Give Adam a call @ Glossy Autos (07712 115087) he'll tell you all you need to know about Nano Coating and all the various options available

[ShiDevil]

DarkMatter said:

At the Goodwood Festival or Speed last year someone was demonstrating a film which would heal itself of minor scratches with the heat from a hot air gun.

That's Venture Shield or Paintshield as linked above.

[esso]

Darren....had Paintshield put on the Cerb, all pre-cut templates, haven`t really driven the car far to test it out yet but it looks OK...£450.

[DJR 7]

I've had a quote from Armourfend, it's about a third of the price of the quote from Paintshield.
The material is Xpel PPF, the spec sheet looks impressive.
I will call for details on the Nano tomorrow.
Thanks again.

D

[sheel]

D, park it on your drive, don't drive it and it will never go wrong and you wont get any paint chips !!!

[DJR 7]

sheel said:

D, park it on your drive, don't drive it and it will never go wrong and you wont get any paint chips !!!

Love driving it! 7000 miles in 4 months last year, hope to do more this year

D

[FlipFlopGriff]

Had Paintshield on the Griff for about 7 years now. Looked at Armorfend but they did the final trim on the car - not good when you've just had a £4.5k respray
FFG

[DJR 7]

FlipFlopGriff said:

Had Paintshield on the Griff for about 7 years now. Looked at Armorfend but they did the final trim on the car - not good when you've just had a £4.5k respray
FFG

No I totally agree, I did ask the question and they assured me it was templated.
I'll be sure to confirm prior to any work being carried out.

D

[DJR 7]

I did talk to them about this, they are confident that they have the correct templates, if not they would travel to my home address and for £250 template my car.

Paint shield however do not have such a template and quoted that the price to template would double my original quote making a total of over £1400. Compared to Armourfends £650 with a personalised template.

I'm confident that a Mk2 template will be an exact fit on my car as I have every confidence that all involved with my project
Are on top of there game.

D

[M3John]

ShiDevil said:

Options: Armourfend or a better option is:

http://www.paintshield.co.uk/contact.php

Have used these guys on two of my cars and i'm very happy with the results.

[DJR 7]

Guam said:

As I understand it there is only one mark 2 so unless they had access to that then it will be a ground up design will it not

Using a mark one kit may work if it's a multi piece standard kit ( part bonnet)
Anything bigger than that will need a complete rework if tolerances are tight

If they can do a one off design at that price I would bite their hand off

I can't answer your question as to how many Mk2 Sagaris there are but I'd be very surprised if it's just the one.
Im sure both companies have there pro's and cons, but in this instance I can't warrant the extra £800.
I suspect Guam that you are affiliated with Paint Shield? Possibly Tom himself.

[DarkMatter]

FlipFlopGriff said:

Looked at Armorfend but they did the final trim on the car - not good when you've just had a £4.5k respray
FFG

My understanding from the Armourfend fitter who did my Griffith was that if they have templates for the car there is no need to trim on the car, and that the Armourfend used on my Griffith did indeed have a template available. I guess I can only be 100% certain if I remove the Armourfend and look

I had Paintshield 3M Ventureshield applied on another car for which no templates are available, that had to be trimmed on the car. The fitter assured me that they only need to cut half way through the film thickness (how do they control that?) and therefore do not touch the paint, however visual inspection by me suggests otherwise.

(edited to correct brand name of film)

Edited by DarkMatter on Friday 23 January 17:27

[DJR 7]

Guam said:

DJR 7 said:

I can't answer your question as to how many Mk2 Sagaris there are but I'd be very surprised if it's just the one.
Im sure both companies have there pro's and cons, but in this instance I can't warrant the extra £800.
I suspect Guam that you are affiliated with Paint Shield? Possibly Tom himself.

No secret on here as to who I am
To my knowledge there was only the one produced prior to their failure
TVR,s are cars we know extremely well as we did the factory cars at the plant for a good while prior to collapse
The only ones Gerbill would sanction if my memory serves

The reality is whilst this is a good job in terms of construction
Slapping a tape measure accross it throws up significan difference panel for panel
It's a complete redesign where we are concerned given you wanted an extended front
In other words sixty percent of the front rather than a standard ki
Also checking with the office on the price you state that's not strictly correct now is it
You cited 65o plus design uplift correct
we priced 750 if it had been the same and 100 percent mark up as it turned out to be a one off not the saggaris you told us it was
That iirc is 500 more than you stated earlier not 800 which is nowhere near the three times figure either
I am more concerned with the fact your car languishes at our unit while you hawk the job around
I need that slot it is occupying so would appreciate its timely removal
All of this could have been avoided had the car been correctly described to us any time in the last year
Cheers

I'm always suspicious of people that fail to give there name in the profile section.
Now let's do the maths correctly.

Paintshield:

Extended nose cone kit ( recommended as it covers more of the nose cone) £725.00+vat
Templating as quoted by Ann Wakeford, double your quote. So a total of £1450.00+vat

Armourfend:

Front nose section £190.00+vat
Lower front lip £30.00+vat
Installation charge£120.00+vat
Template should it be required £250.00+ vat
So a total of £590.00+vat

This is more than £800 more expensive it's actually £890.00.

As you have not got the Template for a Mk2 I'm not actually sure where you are obtaining your measurements?
You seem to be under the illusion that a sagaris front end has been grafted/joined onto a Tuscan front end.
In actual fact the front end fitted to my vehicle is an exact match as it was moulded from the Sagaris and is a complete
Sagaris front section.

As I said earlier I simply cannot warrant spending an extra £725.00 for you to Template.
I'm not Hawking the job out, I was simply asking on here for alternatives so I could obtain a quote.

At no time was I derogative towards Paint Sheild.

The car was delivered to you in good faith on Friday 16th, once it was established that you did not have the templates you then asked me to arrange collection or face storage costs .... As I said in my personal mail I find that a bit harsh.
As I have explained to Ann I have arranged for a transport company to collect the car, I will call them to chase.

As I said to you in my mail I am 100% confident that if you had the Mk2 template it would fit.
We both know which one and only Mk2 Sagaris. To which you refer as I believe you fitted film to it.
I'm guessing you won't want to discuss that on the open forum?

D

Edited by DJR 7 on Friday 23 January 16:13

[paddy328]

DarkMatter said:

I had Paintshield applied on another car for which no templates are available, that had to be trimmed on the car. The fitter assured me that they only need to cut half way through the film thickness (how do they control that?) and therefore do not touch the paint, however visual inspection by me suggests otherwise.

I have to say that I'm very confident that paintshield did not do the work on your car. Did you take the car to them in peterborough?
I have worked at paintshield countless times and not once have i seen them cut on a car. They are the most experienced installers in the uk and do everything by CAD design. I send all my clients there and if i had any doubt in how good they are, then i would send them somewhere else.

The film they now use is the best on the market right now, better than expel. Even i struggle to see if anything has been applied to the car.

At the end of the day, everyone is free to take their car where they want, but if you want the best job, done in the safest way by the best installers, then there is only one place to take it.

Just to point out that i gain nothing by posting this, but just want to make sure people realise that they never cut on cars.

Francis