BMW E36 328i Saloon Track Car Project!
Discussion
Sooooo..... I was told I needed to start a thread for this 
Hopefully it will be better than my other Readers' Cars threads, where there's usually a flurry of updates then nothing for months as I then either get bored or don't do anything to the car as I am doing stuff to another one etc.
Here is the newly purchased 'loon!:
I am definitely of the absolutely mad persuasion. I took a train ride in yesterday's extreme weather all the way to Swansea from Leeds to collect this £800 car! Mad, I know. But I wanted a saloon, with a manual 'box and with decent history and mileage.
This popped up as a part ex taken by a dealer. I spoke to them about it and left a deposit, confident it was the right car.
A bit of background, just to bring all of this into context; The Mrs and I attended the PH Xmas track day at Goodwood. We enjoyed ourselves so much that we pretty much instantly decided that track days would be a major feature of our lives from then on. But I wanted even more. I wanted to race!
I found out about the Trackday Trophy entry level racing series and it was decided fairly quickly that we would build a car for it. The idea is to get our race licenses and as much track time as we can this year, before entering the series next year. Neither of us want to be a mobile chicane, so this seemed like a good route for us.
Anyway, back to the story! I missed my connecting train by 2 mins thanks to delays and ended up being an hour later than planned from that point onwards. On a side note, my delay meant that I was able to get some breakfast at Manchester Piccadilly. Why I chose to get that breakfast from Burger King is a question that will haunt me forever. I had something they call the Double Big Beefy which is basically their Bacon Double Cheese XL burger but with egg instead of cheese and a slice of tomato. I can eat, but that thing left me feeling like I may die immienently....
But I digress! Still recovering from my brekfast burger nightmare, I boarded the next train. And found that it was a crappy one with no power sockets etc. The one I was supposed to be on DID have sockets, or so the cleaner told me. All going great so far.
Eventually I get to Swansea and I drive the car. The steering is wooly, the suspension boat like, but the engine is good and those things can be fixed. The real talking point was actually the boot floor and the jacking points. The rear two jacking points are rusty as hell and I managed to prod my way through a bit of the rust in front of one of them. The jacking points themselves are solid, but the area around them is going to need work.
The boot floor is probably going to need replacing and that's an unexpected blow. I bought the car anyway, partly because I was so far from home if I am honest, but partly because despite these things, I could still see potential.
The car has done 124k. The original Nikasil engine was swapped out for a brand new item by BMW in Swansea. I spoke to them in advance myself and confirmed this. This was done at 51k, so the actual mileage on the current engine is 73k! That's pretty awesome.
The electrics all work which is great, but there are remote sensors inside but no remote key. Anybody know if these are likely to be standard fitment, i.e. can I buy a new remote key from BMW? Or is it likely to be an aftermarket system?
There's lots of history with the car, plenty of stamps etc. It has a full MOT with it also. I argued the toss with the salesman and got him to knock £100 off in light of the rust issues. I explained to him that I would not have come all that way to piss him about and haggle, but that I couldn't accept the agreed price in light of what I'd found. He very reluctantly agreed and then still charged my card the full amount, before I brought this to his attention and received a refund of £100!
Hmm.
I also agreed to take it on a spares or repairs basis because really, who takes an £800 car back 260 miles if it turns out there's something wrong with it?! Makes no difference to me.
The drive home was long, but largely drama free. I did have a nice chat with a friendly policeman in the back of his car near Sheffield after he pulled me over to ask if it was my car and to tell me nothing was showing up on the system for the MOT, insurance, tax etc.
Obviously I had all of the docs with me and let him have a browse through them. Happy all was in order he sent me on my way and wished me well. Nice bloke.
I've now got 4 cars and move house this weekend into a house with a small drive and not much parking. 2 of them have to go. The wife's SLK and my MR2. We're going on a new adventure now....
Hopefully it will be better than my other Readers' Cars threads, where there's usually a flurry of updates then nothing for months as I then either get bored or don't do anything to the car as I am doing stuff to another one etc.
Here is the newly purchased 'loon!:
I am definitely of the absolutely mad persuasion. I took a train ride in yesterday's extreme weather all the way to Swansea from Leeds to collect this £800 car! Mad, I know. But I wanted a saloon, with a manual 'box and with decent history and mileage.
This popped up as a part ex taken by a dealer. I spoke to them about it and left a deposit, confident it was the right car.
A bit of background, just to bring all of this into context; The Mrs and I attended the PH Xmas track day at Goodwood. We enjoyed ourselves so much that we pretty much instantly decided that track days would be a major feature of our lives from then on. But I wanted even more. I wanted to race!
I found out about the Trackday Trophy entry level racing series and it was decided fairly quickly that we would build a car for it. The idea is to get our race licenses and as much track time as we can this year, before entering the series next year. Neither of us want to be a mobile chicane, so this seemed like a good route for us.
Anyway, back to the story! I missed my connecting train by 2 mins thanks to delays and ended up being an hour later than planned from that point onwards. On a side note, my delay meant that I was able to get some breakfast at Manchester Piccadilly. Why I chose to get that breakfast from Burger King is a question that will haunt me forever. I had something they call the Double Big Beefy which is basically their Bacon Double Cheese XL burger but with egg instead of cheese and a slice of tomato. I can eat, but that thing left me feeling like I may die immienently....
But I digress! Still recovering from my brekfast burger nightmare, I boarded the next train. And found that it was a crappy one with no power sockets etc. The one I was supposed to be on DID have sockets, or so the cleaner told me. All going great so far.
Eventually I get to Swansea and I drive the car. The steering is wooly, the suspension boat like, but the engine is good and those things can be fixed. The real talking point was actually the boot floor and the jacking points. The rear two jacking points are rusty as hell and I managed to prod my way through a bit of the rust in front of one of them. The jacking points themselves are solid, but the area around them is going to need work.
The boot floor is probably going to need replacing and that's an unexpected blow. I bought the car anyway, partly because I was so far from home if I am honest, but partly because despite these things, I could still see potential.
The car has done 124k. The original Nikasil engine was swapped out for a brand new item by BMW in Swansea. I spoke to them in advance myself and confirmed this. This was done at 51k, so the actual mileage on the current engine is 73k! That's pretty awesome.
The electrics all work which is great, but there are remote sensors inside but no remote key. Anybody know if these are likely to be standard fitment, i.e. can I buy a new remote key from BMW? Or is it likely to be an aftermarket system?
There's lots of history with the car, plenty of stamps etc. It has a full MOT with it also. I argued the toss with the salesman and got him to knock £100 off in light of the rust issues. I explained to him that I would not have come all that way to piss him about and haggle, but that I couldn't accept the agreed price in light of what I'd found. He very reluctantly agreed and then still charged my card the full amount, before I brought this to his attention and received a refund of £100!
Hmm.
I also agreed to take it on a spares or repairs basis because really, who takes an £800 car back 260 miles if it turns out there's something wrong with it?! Makes no difference to me.
The drive home was long, but largely drama free. I did have a nice chat with a friendly policeman in the back of his car near Sheffield after he pulled me over to ask if it was my car and to tell me nothing was showing up on the system for the MOT, insurance, tax etc.
Obviously I had all of the docs with me and let him have a browse through them. Happy all was in order he sent me on my way and wished me well. Nice bloke.
I've now got 4 cars and move house this weekend into a house with a small drive and not much parking. 2 of them have to go. The wife's SLK and my MR2. We're going on a new adventure now....
It would be an unfair comparison! It's an MR2 roadster, but it's on brand new suspension. This thing most certainly is not 
Strangely enough, I exchanged my first E36 328i Sport for an MR2 Turbo. I absolutely loved that car and I still think I will own another one day, despite the fact they are getting old and knackered now.
The E36 is a different drive. It's very civilised on the motorway etc, but the handling on them is certainly sharp when everything is in order. If you want slidy fun, the BMW is for you. MR2's aren't really suited to more than the tiniest bits of power oversteer when coming out of junctions etc. because of the way they are balanced. I will miss my roadster though. It just needed more power (and was originally going to get it!).
This car will make a far better track toy for me, as it can be caged, carry a spare set of wheels etc.
I have already ordered new tie rods and track rod ends!
I remember my old one, putting new shocks and Eibach springs on it really enhanced it. It changed direction very well and was rewarding to drive. The roar of the engine on top of all that is great.
Strangely enough, I exchanged my first E36 328i Sport for an MR2 Turbo. I absolutely loved that car and I still think I will own another one day, despite the fact they are getting old and knackered now.
The E36 is a different drive. It's very civilised on the motorway etc, but the handling on them is certainly sharp when everything is in order. If you want slidy fun, the BMW is for you. MR2's aren't really suited to more than the tiniest bits of power oversteer when coming out of junctions etc. because of the way they are balanced. I will miss my roadster though. It just needed more power (and was originally going to get it!).
This car will make a far better track toy for me, as it can be caged, carry a spare set of wheels etc.
I have already ordered new tie rods and track rod ends!
I remember my old one, putting new shocks and Eibach springs on it really enhanced it. It changed direction very well and was rewarding to drive. The roar of the engine on top of all that is great.
Edited by TroubledSoul on Thursday 22 January 15:34
Sammo123 said:
Looks like a tidy car from that pic. Shame about the rust but at least the engines good 
I'm picking up my 318i Saloon on Sunday which will eventually have the engine from my 328i Coupe fitted (or maybe a home brew 3.0 if I can get the bits for a reasonable price!)
My mind was blown when I saw how much 3.0 engines go for!I'm picking up my 318i Saloon on Sunday which will eventually have the engine from my 328i Coupe fitted (or maybe a home brew 3.0 if I can get the bits for a reasonable price!)
Good cars these, friend had an E36, and I've had 4 E30s, and now moved up to an E46.
One thing that's a HUGE improvement is upgrading the bushes. Both me and my friend installed powerflex bushes in the front wishbone lolipops, and at the back (I had the subframe and diff mounts changed, he had the RTA bushes changed by me one day). I'll be doing the same to the E46 once the current bushes expire.
It's not a massive cost to do, and if you're handy with spanners and have a vice handy you can change them in an afternoon if you know how to attack the bushes (Usually involves a hacksaw and a blowtorch!)
From my friend's comments, the E36 went from having an unpredicable rear end, to one that was incredibly planted and the car as a whole felt more direct to drive.
One thing that's a HUGE improvement is upgrading the bushes. Both me and my friend installed powerflex bushes in the front wishbone lolipops, and at the back (I had the subframe and diff mounts changed, he had the RTA bushes changed by me one day). I'll be doing the same to the E46 once the current bushes expire.
It's not a massive cost to do, and if you're handy with spanners and have a vice handy you can change them in an afternoon if you know how to attack the bushes (Usually involves a hacksaw and a blowtorch!)
From my friend's comments, the E36 went from having an unpredicable rear end, to one that was incredibly planted and the car as a whole felt more direct to drive.
Sf_Manta said:
Good cars these, friend had an E36, and I've had 4 E30s, and now moved up to an E46.
One thing that's a HUGE improvement is upgrading the bushes. Both me and my friend installed powerflex bushes in the front wishbone lolipops, and at the back (I had the subframe and diff mounts changed, he had the RTA bushes changed by me one day). I'll be doing the same to the E46 once the current bushes expire.
It's not a massive cost to do, and if you're handy with spanners and have a vice handy you can change them in an afternoon if you know how to attack the bushes (Usually involves a hacksaw and a blowtorch!)
From my friend's comments, the E36 went from having an unpredicable rear end, to one that was incredibly planted and the car as a whole felt more direct to drive.
Some bushes are a bloody pain in the arse. I do have a bush removal kit (not a razor! One thing that's a HUGE improvement is upgrading the bushes. Both me and my friend installed powerflex bushes in the front wishbone lolipops, and at the back (I had the subframe and diff mounts changed, he had the RTA bushes changed by me one day). I'll be doing the same to the E46 once the current bushes expire.
It's not a massive cost to do, and if you're handy with spanners and have a vice handy you can change them in an afternoon if you know how to attack the bushes (Usually involves a hacksaw and a blowtorch!)
From my friend's comments, the E36 went from having an unpredicable rear end, to one that was incredibly planted and the car as a whole felt more direct to drive.
) kicking arouind somewhere. I will try to do them all myself. I had to top the coolant up this morning, as it was complaining on the OBC. I found it very low and topped it right up, but couldn't see any trace of a fill line on the bottle. Let's hope it isn't going through coolant, as that wouldn't be good....
TroubledSoul said:
Some bushes are a bloody pain in the arse. I do have a bush removal kit (not a razor! ) kicking arouind somewhere. I will try to do them all myself.
I had to top the coolant up this morning, as it was complaining on the OBC. I found it very low and topped it right up, but couldn't see any trace of a fill line on the bottle. Let's hope it isn't going through coolant, as that wouldn't be good....
There is a fill line, however coolant low error even when it isnt is a common one, generally seems to be either a dead sensor or a gunged up float. Taking rad off and cleaning seems to resolve on most, need to do this on mine but it has been too cold to mess around with coolant ) kicking arouind somewhere. I will try to do them all myself. I had to top the coolant up this morning, as it was complaining on the OBC. I found it very low and topped it right up, but couldn't see any trace of a fill line on the bottle. Let's hope it isn't going through coolant, as that wouldn't be good....
OP, good buy. I was actually eyeing that car up as it came up on the classifieds.
If you intend to use it for track/racing purposes "only", I would strongly suggest that you overhaul the cooling system as a starting point. A Steward EMP Water pump, 82C thermostat and a 80C auxiliary fan temperature switch, new OEM thermostat housing and Silicone water hoses (if you can find the right one's) are a good way to go.
A friend and I recently bought into a 328 tack car and had the above done including a new rad and tank (the level sensor was gunked up in our case) before the car went onto a track. From what I have managed to research, the M52 engines are pretty much bullet proof if you can manage the heat and have a tip top cooling system to avoid overheating and head gasket problems. Other than that, good oil fit for purpose and only ageing sensors can be a cause of additional cost.
Some ppl have said that oil temps can also run high especially with consistent laps on track, but this will be subject to the water system efficiency as one will have an effect on the other. The more serious guys are modifying to include an oil cooler and gauges to have visibility of what's going on internally, but their setups are much more advanced on all fronts so they are able to push their package and drivetrain harder and longer.
There are a number of threads here on PH from people who have done what you are planning to do and there is allot of information with pictures regarding 328 prep for track work and for more serious racing, so do have a look around.
Humour
If you intend to use it for track/racing purposes "only", I would strongly suggest that you overhaul the cooling system as a starting point. A Steward EMP Water pump, 82C thermostat and a 80C auxiliary fan temperature switch, new OEM thermostat housing and Silicone water hoses (if you can find the right one's) are a good way to go.
A friend and I recently bought into a 328 tack car and had the above done including a new rad and tank (the level sensor was gunked up in our case) before the car went onto a track. From what I have managed to research, the M52 engines are pretty much bullet proof if you can manage the heat and have a tip top cooling system to avoid overheating and head gasket problems. Other than that, good oil fit for purpose and only ageing sensors can be a cause of additional cost.
Some ppl have said that oil temps can also run high especially with consistent laps on track, but this will be subject to the water system efficiency as one will have an effect on the other. The more serious guys are modifying to include an oil cooler and gauges to have visibility of what's going on internally, but their setups are much more advanced on all fronts so they are able to push their package and drivetrain harder and longer.
There are a number of threads here on PH from people who have done what you are planning to do and there is allot of information with pictures regarding 328 prep for track work and for more serious racing, so do have a look around.
Humour
Edited by Humour on Friday 23 January 13:18
Humour said:
OP, good buy. I was actually eyeing that car up as it came up on the classifieds.
If you intend to use it for track/racing purposes "only", I would strongly suggest that you overhaul the cooling system as a starting point. A Steward EMP Water pump, 82C thermostat and a 80C auxiliary fan temperature switch, new OEM thermostat housing and Silicone water hoses (if you can find the right one's) are a good way to go.
A friend and I recently bought into a 328 tack car and had the above done including a new rad and tank (the level sensor was gunked up in our case) before the car went onto a track. From what I have managed to research, the M52 engines are pretty much bullet proof if you can manage the heat and have a tip top cooling system to avoid overheating and head gasket problems. Other than that, good oil fit for purpose and only ageing sensors can be a cause of additional cost.
Some ppl have said that oil temps can also run high especially with consistent laps on track, but this will be subject to the water system efficiency as one will have an effect on the other. The more serious guys are modifying to include an oil cooler and gauges to have visibility of what's going on internally, but their setups are much more advanced on all fronts so they are able to push their package and drivetrain harder and longer.
There are a number of threads here on PH from people who have done what you are planning to do and there is allot of information with pictures regarding 328 prep for track work and for more serious racing, so do have a look around.
Humour
Thank you. It's a fair old smoker at the moment, so I am really hoping the head gasket isn't on its way out. If you intend to use it for track/racing purposes "only", I would strongly suggest that you overhaul the cooling system as a starting point. A Steward EMP Water pump, 82C thermostat and a 80C auxiliary fan temperature switch, new OEM thermostat housing and Silicone water hoses (if you can find the right one's) are a good way to go.
A friend and I recently bought into a 328 tack car and had the above done including a new rad and tank (the level sensor was gunked up in our case) before the car went onto a track. From what I have managed to research, the M52 engines are pretty much bullet proof if you can manage the heat and have a tip top cooling system to avoid overheating and head gasket problems. Other than that, good oil fit for purpose and only ageing sensors can be a cause of additional cost.
Some ppl have said that oil temps can also run high especially with consistent laps on track, but this will be subject to the water system efficiency as one will have an effect on the other. The more serious guys are modifying to include an oil cooler and gauges to have visibility of what's going on internally, but their setups are much more advanced on all fronts so they are able to push their package and drivetrain harder and longer.
There are a number of threads here on PH from people who have done what you are planning to do and there is allot of information with pictures regarding 328 prep for track work and for more serious racing, so do have a look around.
Humour
Edited by Humour on Friday 23 January 13:18
I let the Mrs have a drive last night. She's fazed by the fact that so much needs doing to it, but I always knew that would be the case anyway, as none of the OEM stuff would be good enough for a track car.
I am hoping against hope that some Bilstein suspension we bought for her SLK but never got around to fitting, will be taken back in exchange for something else by Larkspeed. I'll happily take a Bilstein PSS coilover kit in exchange if they are willing to play ball. Considering we bought it four months or so ago though it would be extremely good of them to agree to do so. It doesn't hurt to ask though.
I'm currently in talks with various parties for a few bits I need. The gear shift is sloppy, so I will likely fit some new bushes. I do want some sort of short shift kit but am worried that if I buy one of the Z3 shifter oriented ones, I will end up wanting to replace it again with something more robust for track use. I don't want to buy anything twice.
Will be using the car as much as I can for the next few days to see if anything happens with the coolant level.
TroubledSoul said:
Thank you. It's a fair old smoker at the moment, so I am really hoping the head gasket isn't on its way out.
I let the Mrs have a drive last night. She's fazed by the fact that so much needs doing to it, but I always knew that would be the case anyway, as none of the OEM stuff would be good enough for a track car.
I am hoping against hope that some Bilstein suspension we bought for her SLK but never got around to fitting, will be taken back in exchange for something else by Larkspeed. I'll happily take a Bilstein PSS coilover kit in exchange if they are willing to play ball. Considering we bought it four months or so ago though it would be extremely good of them to agree to do so. It doesn't hurt to ask though.
I'm currently in talks with various parties for a few bits I need. The gear shift is sloppy, so I will likely fit some new bushes. I do want some sort of short shift kit but am worried that if I buy one of the Z3 shifter oriented ones, I will end up wanting to replace it again with something more robust for track use. I don't want to buy anything twice.
Will be using the car as much as I can for the next few days to see if anything happens with the coolant level.
Our guys (BMW Compact Cup) use the Z3 shifter on the M44 engine and it is fine from a robustness PoV. Does shorten the gait and throw a fair bit not sure what the difference on the 2.8 Z3 one though. Same with the steering rack most of our guys use the Z3 one too, some with the power steering disabled.I let the Mrs have a drive last night. She's fazed by the fact that so much needs doing to it, but I always knew that would be the case anyway, as none of the OEM stuff would be good enough for a track car.
I am hoping against hope that some Bilstein suspension we bought for her SLK but never got around to fitting, will be taken back in exchange for something else by Larkspeed. I'll happily take a Bilstein PSS coilover kit in exchange if they are willing to play ball. Considering we bought it four months or so ago though it would be extremely good of them to agree to do so. It doesn't hurt to ask though.
I'm currently in talks with various parties for a few bits I need. The gear shift is sloppy, so I will likely fit some new bushes. I do want some sort of short shift kit but am worried that if I buy one of the Z3 shifter oriented ones, I will end up wanting to replace it again with something more robust for track use. I don't want to buy anything twice.
Will be using the car as much as I can for the next few days to see if anything happens with the coolant level.
TroubledSoul said:
I always knew that would be the case anyway, as none of the OEM stuff would be good enough for a track car.
It would be a result if you can negotiate something with LS and get a deal, PSS9 equipment good for track from other's experiences, as far as I'm aware is in the 1.4-5K range.
Geeks's advice is excellent and no doubt comes from experience. The Z3M short shift rebuild components can be had for 100 or less in parts from a main dealer. We will be going that way when we get to 'that' issue lol. There is another option from Poland on ebay, but it is untested here, can give you the details if you wish to consider it.
We managed to source and fit a Z3 rack on feedback from others and we like it along with a few other items completed at the front end.
Humour said:
Well, that depends on how serious you are and how far you want to go with the driving/racing project. I am of the opinion that not all OEM parts are crap, but all are going to be aged and heat cycled for sure. We went with OEM rad, expansion bottle and thermostat housing amongst a few others so costs can be kept down. Other things like bushes as previously mentioned will require upgrade for the type of use.
It would be a result if you can negotiate something with LS and get a deal, PSS9 equipment good for track from other's experiences, as far as I'm aware is in the 1.4-5K range.
Geeks's advice is excellent and no doubt comes from experience. The Z3M short shift rebuild components can be had for 100 or less in parts from a main dealer. We will be going that way when we get to 'that' issue lol. There is another option from Poland on ebay, but it is untested here, can give you the details if you wish to consider it.
We managed to source and fit a Z3 rack on feedback from others and we like it along with a few other items completed at the front end.
Send me the details and I'll gladly have a look. I can actually buy BMW the parts with staff discount now as I have a friend who works for them. The problem with the Z3 setup is that I don't have the facility for bending the shifter or the selector rod which it appears you have to do. It would be a result if you can negotiate something with LS and get a deal, PSS9 equipment good for track from other's experiences, as far as I'm aware is in the 1.4-5K range.
Geeks's advice is excellent and no doubt comes from experience. The Z3M short shift rebuild components can be had for 100 or less in parts from a main dealer. We will be going that way when we get to 'that' issue lol. There is another option from Poland on ebay, but it is untested here, can give you the details if you wish to consider it.
We managed to source and fit a Z3 rack on feedback from others and we like it along with a few other items completed at the front end.
The suspension exchange is unfortunately a no go, but I meant PSS, not PSS9.
What did you do with the Z3 rack for the bracket that they say is needed to attach a pipe to?
TroubledSoul said:
It would be an unfair comparison! It's an MR2 roadster, but it's on brand new suspension. This thing most certainly is not
Strangely enough, I exchanged my first E36 328i Sport for an MR2 Turbo. I absolutely loved that car and I still think I will own another one day, despite the fact they are getting old and knackered now.
The E36 is a different drive. It's very civilised on the motorway etc, but the handling on them is certainly sharp when everything is in order. If you want slidy fun, the BMW is for you. MR2's aren't really suited to more than the tiniest bits of power oversteer when coming out of junctions etc. because of the way they are balanced. I will miss my roadster though. It just needed more power (and was originally going to get it!).
This car will make a far better track toy for me, as it can be caged, carry a spare set of wheels etc.
I have already ordered new tie rods and track rod ends!
I remember my old one, putting new shocks and Eibach springs on it really enhanced it. It changed direction very well and was rewarding to drive. The roar of the engine on top of all that is great.
I used to have an MR2 Turbo and then a Roadster and then a 328! Strangely enough, I exchanged my first E36 328i Sport for an MR2 Turbo. I absolutely loved that car and I still think I will own another one day, despite the fact they are getting old and knackered now.
The E36 is a different drive. It's very civilised on the motorway etc, but the handling on them is certainly sharp when everything is in order. If you want slidy fun, the BMW is for you. MR2's aren't really suited to more than the tiniest bits of power oversteer when coming out of junctions etc. because of the way they are balanced. I will miss my roadster though. It just needed more power (and was originally going to get it!).
This car will make a far better track toy for me, as it can be caged, carry a spare set of wheels etc.
I have already ordered new tie rods and track rod ends!
I remember my old one, putting new shocks and Eibach springs on it really enhanced it. It changed direction very well and was rewarding to drive. The roar of the engine on top of all that is great.
Edited by TroubledSoul on Thursday 22 January 15:34
For me the Turbo never quite lived up to how amazing they are on paper. Definitely an event to drive though.
The Roadster was just fantastic and as you say, just need a bit more power and shorter gearing. Then it would be perfect and I'd get another one.
The 328 Sport I have (and now selling) is also excellent. As you say, they need to be on good condition suspension and RTABs to be fun. I've just written a detailed end of term thread here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
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