First MOT for an IVA pass

First MOT for an IVA pass

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trackerjack

Original Poster:

649 posts

183 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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I built my special
which passed IVA in June 2014 and was registereed as a new vehicle in July.
So far so good, however upon trying to retax it online it was refused as having to be MOT,d.
Noew as far as I am aware it should go 3 years before needing one.
Any one know what the score is and how to get them to play by the rules?
Of course it will pass an MOT but that is not the point.

FlossyThePig

4,083 posts

242 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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Did you get a new registration number or is it on a Q plate?

GoneAnon

1,703 posts

151 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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I had the exact same situation with my car in 2009. At the VOSA station I was told that my SVA meant no MOT till it was three years old and I didn't know any different until I tried to tax it online.

I asked DVLA and they just said the tester at VOSA was wrong so I got an MOT.

My V5 says first registered 2009 but manufactured 1991 and I got a 1991 age-related plate based on the age of the donor.

Fastpedeller

3,847 posts

145 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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GoneAnon said:
I had the exact same situation with my car in 2009. At the VOSA station I was told that my SVA meant no MOT till it was three years old and I didn't know any different until I tried to tax it online.

I asked DVLA and they just said the tester at VOSA was wrong so I got an MOT.

My V5 says first registered 2009 but manufactured 1991 and I got a 1991 age-related plate based on the age of the donor.
My 2009 SVA'd kit registered on age related plate (E reg prefix) didn't need an MOT till 3 years old. V5 says date of first registration 2009, but has a note "assembled from parts, some of which may have not been new etc". As usual DVLA 'rules' seem to be a lottery!

trackerjack

Original Poster:

649 posts

183 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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It is on a Q plate and the V5 says date of registration 2014 and same for first date of registration.
I think this means that as it is new it should have no MOT however what I dont want is for it to have to try and pass the latest emissions because it clearly wont.
It did pass the 1998 one for IVA because the test centre would not accept that its 1990 1.6 MX5 engine was that age.

marshalla

15,902 posts

200 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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trackerjack said:
It is on a Q plate and the V5 says date of registration 2014 and same for first date of registration.
I think this means that as it is new it should have no MOT however what I dont want is for it to have to try and pass the latest emissions because it clearly wont.
It did pass the 1998 one for IVA because the test centre would not accept that its 1990 1.6 MX5 engine was that age.
Q plate means they aren't able to determine the age of the vehicle as a whole because of the mix of components. (which is probably why they think it needs a test). According to http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual/how_to_use_page_one....

"b. Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to
be treated as being first used on 1 January 1971 "

So you shouldn't have to worry too much about emissions for MOT.

NoCorseChris

332 posts

232 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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This one comes round from time to time doesn't it. Ultimately, I think I'd take a pragmatic view - you can spend time & energy trying to fight DVLA or just accept their ruling, go get an MOT and benefit from another set of eyes giving the car a once-over. Don't forget, VOSA & DVLA are different organisations with entirely different aims and remits. Hard to belive, but that's how they work.

FWIW, I did a pre SVA (as was) MOT on my last build as a sanity check and a valid & legal reason to give it a test drive. Unless one does this sort of thing for aliving, I really don't get why one wouldn't want someone else with experience to cast any eye over it.

Fury1630

393 posts

226 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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Have you tried taxing it at a post office?

Frankthered

1,619 posts

179 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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NoCorseChris said:
This one comes round from time to time doesn't it. Ultimately, I think I'd take a pragmatic view - you can spend time & energy trying to fight DVLA or just accept their ruling, go get an MOT and benefit from another set of eyes giving the car a once-over. Don't forget, VOSA & DVLA are different organisations with entirely different aims and remits. Hard to belive, but that's how they work.

FWIW, I did a pre SVA (as was) MOT on my last build as a sanity check and a valid & legal reason to give it a test drive. Unless one does this sort of thing for aliving, I really don't get why one wouldn't want someone else with experience to cast any eye over it.
This is pretty much what I did. Despite my car being on a new (i.e. not donor) E-prefix plate, my V5 still states date of first registration as Aug 1987.

So when I tried to tax the vehicle 6 montha after IVA, DVLA said I needed an MoT. When I called them to query this as the car had passed IVA only a few months previously, they told me I needed to talk to VOSA.

Although following up on this might have got me somewhere, I thought getting an MoT was a pragmatic compromise.

trackerjack

Original Poster:

649 posts

183 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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Well gentlemen and perhaps ladies I thought the best plan was to phone VOSA which I did today and spoke to a very helpful lady who said that when the car was registered the box for IVA test was not ticked and hence why an MOT is requested when online taxing (and presumably Post Office too).
She told me that a car that passes the IVA full test does NOT require an MOT for three years after the pass date.
It was all sorted in minutes.
The car will be used on track and frankly an MOT is a minimum in my eyes, indeed I would be shocked at a fail.
If any body is in the same boat as me the phone no for VOSA is 01792782942 and I got straight through to a doer.
What you will need is the reg no and when the car was registered I got a letter from them that has a bar code and she needed that bar code number.
I presume also that if your having to have an MOT and your car was registered less than 3 years ago you can get it changed.
Finally thanks for all your advice lads.
I hope to see some of you at various track days this year and as the car has no screen dry too.

Fastpedeller

3,847 posts

145 months

Friday 23rd January 2015
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NoCorseChris said:
FWIW, I did a pre SVA (as was) MOT on my last build as a sanity check and a valid & legal reason to give it a test drive. Unless one does this sort of thing for aliving, I really don't get why one wouldn't want someone else with experience to cast any eye over it.
I think the ruling on this is that it's illegal to get an MOT (as the vehicle isn't registered), and (especially if it's driven on the road) the driver could end up in a difficult legal situation. The 'normal' rule that you are driving it 'in pursuit of the statutory test' (or words similar) don't apply because it doesn't NEED the test prior to IVA.

trackerjack

Original Poster:

649 posts

183 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Well I think that having an MOT guy run his eye over the car prior to IVA does make sense.
The whole experience of making a car and getting it tested then registered is a mind mess.
I had never driven it on the road or anywhere for that matter.
Without a reg no I was allowed to insure it and drive it 25 miles to Southampton for a motor engineer to check if its fit to............drive on the road!
The first test was a fail in April. Emissions (CAT test) small lighting prob and seat belt bolts though they were grade 5 not accepted.
Then I am legally allowed without any registration number on the car to drive it home and then any place that can fix the fails.
I found Mitsi Art in Cosham Portsmouth really helpful with sorting out the emissions so that we could get it to pass the CAT test. This garage specialise in performance cars and know their stuff.
During this time I passed 2 police cars and sat alongside one in a queue plus going through several speed camera,s (at legal speed)I was never stopped and somehow it felt really naughty though completely legal.
Second test in June was a pass and after 3 years in the making I finally had a car.
Now I was unable to legally drive the car until nearly 2 months later after losing the cheque and requiring more details I got to enjoy what little was left of the summer and fettle the car to get it to drive well.
On an earlier post I stated that I phoned VOSA errr my mistake I phoned DVLA at Swansea and they sorted the no MOT out.

NoCorseChris

332 posts

232 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Fastpedeller said:
I think the ruling on this is that it's illegal to get an MOT (as the vehicle isn't registered), and (especially if it's driven on the road) the driver could end up in a difficult legal situation. The 'normal' rule that you are driving it 'in pursuit of the statutory test' (or words similar) don't apply because it doesn't NEED the test prior to IVA.
Things may well have changed since I did my last one - it was 2005 after all, and they do oh so love to change things, but at that time, it was all above board & legal according to the DVLA & VOSA people I enquired of. MOT tested & insured on chassis number.

Truth is, it's still something of a minefield and the reply you get seems to depend very much on how & who you ask and can vary from one day to the next. Madness!

Personally, i found VOSA & the then local VRO really helpful - just did what they asked even if I thought it was daft. I wanted it legally on the road with as little hassle as possible so just sucked it up and smiled sweetly as required wink

If someone else wants to fight city hall, please go ahead, I don't have the energy for it myself but fair play to those that do.

Frankthered

1,619 posts

179 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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NoCorseChris said:
Things may well have changed since I did my last one - it was 2005 after all, and they do oh so love to change things, but at that time, it was all above board & legal according to the DVLA & VOSA people I enquired of. MOT tested & insured on chassis number.

Truth is, it's still something of a minefield and the reply you get seems to depend very much on how & who you ask and can vary from one day to the next. Madness!

Personally, i found VOSA & the then local VRO really helpful - just did what they asked even if I thought it was daft. I wanted it legally on the road with as little hassle as possible so just sucked it up and smiled sweetly as required wink

If someone else wants to fight city hall, please go ahead, I don't have the energy for it myself but fair play to those that do.
In theory, the DVLA should be more consistent now that the VRO's have gone and they are all based in Swansea.

Well done Trackerjack getting a result from VOSA!

Fastpedeller

3,847 posts

145 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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NoCorseChris said:
Things may well have changed since I did my last one - it was 2005 after all, and they do oh so love to change things, but at that time, it was all above board & legal according to the DVLA & VOSA people I enquired of. MOT tested & insured on chassis number.

Truth is, it's still something of a minefield and the reply you get seems to depend very much on how & who you ask and can vary from one day to the next. Madness!

Personally, i found VOSA & the then local VRO really helpful - just did what they asked even if I thought it was daft. I wanted it legally on the road with as little hassle as possible so just sucked it up and smiled sweetly as required wink

If someone else wants to fight city hall, please go ahead, I don't have the energy for it myself but fair play to those that do.
I'm sure you are correct (that it depends who you ask etc). My advice (FWIW)to anyone in this situation is to phone DVLA, and ask their opinion, AND GET THEIR NAME, make a note of the time/day etc. In the event that plod challenge you then you have this to fall back on, better still send them a letter and get it in writing. Heresay, rumours and internet 'evidence' will be of little use in a court in the worst happened - It's best to have some sort of evidence just in case.

NoCorseChris

332 posts

232 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Glad you got a resolution to it all in the end.

I know what you mean about that slightly naughty feeling though - I drove mine 80 miles each way for the SVA, saw loads of traffic police and just prayed I didn't have to explain why I was driving about in a car with no numberplates or tax on it.

trackerjack

Original Poster:

649 posts

183 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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I built my first kit car (Autotune Gemini) in the mid 90,s and in those days it was just so easy to get a car on the road and when I went to kit car shows I saw some appalling pieces of poor design and build both in and out of the show.
Today it is very different but we can still build a special and get it to the road even if we do have to jump through a few hoops.
Thanks government for that.
Some European countries will only allow cars to be built on a known manufactured chassis which in the case of a Volkswagon Beetle can be a load of rubbish when new!

finishing touch

808 posts

166 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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For some years now I've been under the impression that the IVA is the final hurdle to jump.

Apparently not.



I'm going to "chicken out" and play safe by taking it there on a trailer.
Mid February isn't the best time to drive an open top car anyway.


Paul G

trackerjack

Original Poster:

649 posts

183 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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You are right to think the IVA are not the finish line.
Make sure when you have your pass certificate that you dont lose it and also use recorded delivery when you send it plus all the required details that DVLA want.
However I have found that despite losing my cheque and wanting even more details the girls I spoke to were very nice and helpful.
My first test was in April 2014 and as I have no screen I was interested in the weather reports, however the day was a superb one with zero temperature to start and really warm once the sun got high, ln short although the car failed I loved the drive.
Second test the wife joined me and a really pleasant hot day in June saw a pass and a chat with other enthusiasts.
The tester Brian was a decent chap who loved fast cars and was fair friendly and professional who helped me a lot.
My car also failed on under dash sharp edges and a strip of carpet cable tied over it all was accepted as one of the problems was a relay not solidly mounted but classed as a sharp edge!
As my car was not a proper kit but a special I did not expect a pass so 2 goes was fine by me.


I drove my car yesterday in the cold weather and 180 BHP with 650kilo vehicle = bloody good fun.

finishing touch

808 posts

166 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Cheers for the advice Jon.

I had to smile at the date I've been given. Friday 13th. eek

I too have found the staff at Swansea and the test station (Norwich) helpful and pleasant on the phone.
I don't expect the car to pass. As a scratch build, not following a tried and tested formula, a pass is too much to ask for.
I'll be more than happy if the failure list fits on one piece of paper.

Cheers
Paul G