Police officer DD,automatic prison time?

Police officer DD,automatic prison time?

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randomeddy

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1,430 posts

136 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Would a police officer get an automatic prison sentence after being caught drink driving or would there have to be more to it?

allergictocheese

1,290 posts

112 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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No, no automatic prison time because he's a police officer.

paintman

7,669 posts

189 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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If during the Christmas DD campaign the subsequent disciplinary proceedings after the court has dealt with it could include dismissal or requirement to resign.
No automatic custodial, but if convicted you get done twice.

allergictocheese

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112 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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paintman said:
If during the Christmas DD campaign the subsequent disciplinary proceedings after the court has dealt with it could include dismissal or requirement to resign.
No automatic custodial, but if convicted you get done twice.
As it would be for anybody whose job relied on their ability to drive.

randomeddy

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136 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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A nice old chap works for our company as and when extra help is needed.(Total change of job for him,we do industrial plumbing and heating systems).
His big 'secret' is that he was in the police force for thirty years but ended up getting sent to prison for six months for drink driving.Obviously more to it that just that.


Edited by randomeddy on Saturday 24th January 08:52

ED209

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243 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Not prison but same punishment as everyone else plus job will almost certainly be lost.

Somebody above posted that driving is a requirement of being a police officer. Its actually not, they can't make you drive police vehicles, like carrying firearms its something that officers just do.

SkinnyPete

1,411 posts

148 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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No.

First rule of being stopped by the police, don't tell them you are a police officer, especially if the person stopping you wears a white hat.

If you got stopped drink driving in North Wales, and you are a police officer in greater Manchester, they would not know unless you told them.

ED209

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243 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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SkinnyPete said:
No.

First rule of being stopped by the police, don't tell them you are a police officer, especially if the person stopping you wears a white hat.

If you got stopped drink driving in North Wales, and you are a police officer in greater Manchester, they would not know unless you told them.
not sure what you are getting at?

Being a police officer doesn't change the breath test reading, if you are over you are over. It dosent matter what your line of work is.

Also as a police officer means you have to disclose any convictions at work therefore starting the discipline process.

So you can tell the officer stopping you that you are the devil himself if you like it docent change the fact that if you are a police officer and you get convicted you will loose your job.

SkinnyPete

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Saturday 24th January 2015
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ED209 said:
SkinnyPete said:
No.

First rule of being stopped by the police, don't tell them you are a police officer, especially if the person stopping you wears a white hat.

If you got stopped drink driving in North Wales, and you are a police officer in greater Manchester, they would not know unless you told them.
not sure what you are getting at?

Being a police officer doesn't change the breath test reading, if you are over you are over. It dosent matter what your line of work is.

Also as a police officer means you have to disclose any convictions at work therefore starting the discipline process.

So you can tell the officer stopping you that you are the devil himself if you like it docent change the fact that if you are a police officer and you get convicted you will loose your job.
I'm not sure what you are getting at, I think you have missed my point.

If you are a police officer and you get stopped/arrested for whatever reason then don't tell them you are a police officer.

It really is that simple, and of course any police officer who drink drives is unlikely to declare any convictions.

ED209

5,740 posts

243 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Why would you not tell them you are a police officer?? what possible advantage or disadvantage would this cause?

mellowman

352 posts

247 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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SkinnyPete said:
I'm not sure what you are getting at, I think you have missed my point.

If you are a police officer and you get stopped/arrested for whatever reason then don't tell them you are a police officer.

It really is that simple, and of course any police officer who drink drives is unlikely to declare any convictions.
Following on from that - how do the Police or Courts check your stated occupation? Just curious whether you can say 'IT contractor' if you do the local brass band website and avoid them finding out your main employment lies elsewhere? Presumably this would only work if you get done in a different force area.

SkinnyPete

1,411 posts

148 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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ED209 said:
Why would you not tell them you are a police officer?? what possible advantage or disadvantage would this cause?
Well the (presumably) traffic hob stopping you wouldn't get a feather in their cap for a kick off.

You aren't obliged to tell them what you do for a living, so if they don't know you won't get the book thrown at you and you won't get the sack.

(this is following on from my original example, i.e. you work in manchester but you are caught in wales).

Edited by SkinnyPete on Saturday 24th January 09:46

ED209

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Saturday 24th January 2015
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SkinnyPete said:
ED209 said:
Why would you not tell them you are a police officer?? what possible advantage or disadvantage would this cause?
Well the (presumably) traffic hob stopping you wouldn't get a feather in their cap for a kick off.

You aren't obliged to tell them what you do for a living, so if they don't know you won't get the book thrown at you and you won't get the sack.
You are obliged to report any cautions, convictions, pending cases to your forces PSD department though. Also how would you explain that you cannot drive at work anymore?

Your occupation doesn't matter, if you get convicted you will get banned. You won't get a higher punishment from a court because you are a police officer. You will get done by the disciplinary process as well though.

By not disclosing you are committing even more disciplinary offences and making sure you would get the sack.


Are you advocating that police officers should be dishonest?

The feather in the cap thing is also tripe.

Please stop talking rubbish.

SkinnyPete

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Saturday 24th January 2015
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ED209 said:
SkinnyPete said:
ED209 said:
Why would you not tell them you are a police officer?? what possible advantage or disadvantage would this cause?
Well the (presumably) traffic hob stopping you wouldn't get a feather in their cap for a kick off.

You aren't obliged to tell them what you do for a living, so if they don't know you won't get the book thrown at you and you won't get the sack.
You are obliged to report any cautions, convictions, pending cases to your forces PSD department though. Also how would you explain that you cannot drive at work anymore?

Your occupation doesn't matter, if you get convicted you will get banned. You won't get a higher punishment from a court because you are a police officer. You will get done by the disciplinary process as well though.

By not disclosing you are committing even more disciplinary offences and making sure you would get the sack.


Are you advocating that police officers should be dishonest?

The feather in the cap thing is also tripe.

Please stop talking rubbish.
As said, do you really think someone who drink drives (especially a police officer) gives a damn about reporting any convictions or driving without a license? If so, why didn't that attitude stop them breaking the law in the first place?

Far stranger things have happened regarding police corruption and dishonesty. Asking if I advocate it is a stupid question, but it doesn't stop there being a real chance of it.

Also, there is genuine divide between police and traffic especially in a city where actual policing does go on.

allergictocheese

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Saturday 24th January 2015
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ED209 said:
Not prison but same punishment as everyone else plus job will almost certainly be lost.

Somebody above posted that driving is a requirement of being a police officer. Its actually not, they can't make you drive police vehicles, like carrying firearms its something that officers just do.
Nobody posted that driving is a requirement for a police officer. It was posted that anybody (who isn't a police officer) whose job requires them to drive is likely to lose their job if they lose their licence.it isn't only police officers who face a 'double punishment' in the case of drink driving.

Elroy Blue

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191 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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SkinnyPete said:
As said, do you really think someone who drink drives (especially a police officer) gives a damn about reporting any convictions or driving without a license? If so, why didn't that attitude stop them breaking the law in the first place?

Far stranger things have happened regarding police corruption and dishonesty. Asking if I advocate it is a stupid question, but it doesn't stop there being a real chance of it.

Also, there is genuine divide between police and traffic especially in a city where actual policing does go on.
PistonHeads really does attract them doesn't it.



pinchmeimdreamin

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217 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
SkinnyPete said:
As said, do you really think someone who drink drives (especially a police officer) gives a damn about reporting any convictions or driving without a license? If so, why didn't that attitude stop them breaking the law in the first place?

Far stranger things have happened regarding police corruption and dishonesty. Asking if I advocate it is a stupid question, but it doesn't stop there being a real chance of it.

Also, there is genuine divide between police and traffic especially in a city where actual policing does go on.
PistonHeads really does attract them doesn't it.
I think somebody tapped on his car window once.

shovelheadrob

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170 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
PistonHeads really does attract them doesn't it.
That's what makes it such a special place!

supermono

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247 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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The penalties should be the same as Joe public for dd, speeding or any other dangerous practice, however the mandatory loss of job is worse than prison.

The hypocrisy of a policeman breaking a law they are employed to enforce needs to be punished severely and loss of job is appropriate.

It does beg the question how many police have points on their licence...

Greendubber

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202 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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supermono said:
It does beg the question how many police have points on their licence...
Why does it? The police service represents the society they Police so when you take that into account there will be officers with points.

My O/H got 3 points a couple of years ago, 54 in a 50. Held her hands up, took the points and informed work....no issues at all.

I know a few that have been on speed awareness courses and they weren't the only old bill there.